debate

1. Yes things die, and thats sad, but whats sadder is their life before they die. Even the nicest farms end up shipping their animals off to slaughterhouses. Tell me, how nice do you have to treat something before your justified in killing it? Would the Nazi's have been justified in killing the jews if the concentration camps were like Funland? 2. Again, debates arent for persuading peoples opinions, its testing whose opinion is strongest. Will i make you vegan? Fuck no. I won't make anyone here vegan over a dumb debate. That's never been what debates as a whole have been about. 3. Boiling is a method of killing. What makes that more inhumane than a slaughterhouse? It's quicker at least. 4. Thats an extreme over statement as i just debunked the "expensive vegan" myth. Lentils and leafy greens for protein and fortified milk supplements are all you'd really need. The rest is just yummy cooking. I'll add, there is no perfect diet. Carnists also have to eat fortified foods and take supplements. 5. But why is human life more important? Yes, an animal that is braindead is basically a plant and i would eat it. I would also eat synthetic meat as long as no animals were harmed to make it. 6. Why is it not cruel to kill and eat animals? Because of mouth pleasure? Or do you believe humans are superior? Can you name the trait or multiple traits that allow for this?

right or wrong are subjective to a point is it wrong to curb stomp a baby? is anyone going to defend that its not wrong? id like to see a defense of baby murderers xD

"id like to see a defense of baby murderers xD" *abortionists rear their triggered heads* XD

Why can't we hold human life higher than animals and still treat them well? Would i kill a dog to save a human? Of course. Does that mean i go around shooting dogs for gun? Nope. Will, Why does humans being smarter mean we have total domain over animals? How smart does a species have to be before they have moral authority over another? If an more advanced alien race came to earth and farmed us for food, is that morally justified because they're smarter? Not to mention, animals do feel complex emotions. Crows will give gifts to people they life. Sea mammals are some of the most emotionally advanced creatures, to the point that some scientists believe they can feel emotions beyond our own. A dog may be dumb, but if i kick him he'll still feel fear and pain.

fetus/=baby my friend >w> two different scientific terms for the life stages of a human being id say curb stomping a fetus is just strange, it doesn't even know what's going on nor can it feel pain at certain stages >w>

@orange, thats how every social animal is though they all have social contract to stay together, we're not special

Curb stomping a baby versus eating a chicken? False equivocation in my view. This isn’t about an appeal to the nature of subjectivity, it’s about appeals to the nature of subjectivity usually being the weakest form of an argument that you could ever construe. Any ethical argument is bound to be subjective, and there are good/bad and sound/unsound arguments, but you’re claiming that human lives holding no more value than the lives of other animals is an ethical objective. That simply isn’t true.