for people complaining about how shitty their life is because they cant get a girlfriend & how they cant hold a relationship dow

Welp, I think people here are agreeing with you Spiky because the truth is - you're right. Sure I haven't had a girlfriend for two years and yeah it's true that I feel pretty lonely from time to time especially around people who are together, I'll fully admit that but it's never something I dwell on and get depressed about because I know I'll eventually come across someone just like with my previous relationships, some of which happened under odd circumstances that I would least expect. The people who whine and complain about this stuff are the people who just don't get off their fat fuckin' arses to even try and that's something they need to face themselves, whether they've never had a girlfriend or they're just too scared to actually ask someone out when in reality it's not hard to meet someone, talk to them, get to know 'em for a bit and if you like them, ask them out. Sure you might get rejected, it happens to me a lot but if so, why worry? There's plenty of other wonderful people out there who these people may be compatible with. Sinking into depression and doing nothing to get out of it (Not just rejection, just in general) is the worst thing you can possibly do, I know that from my own experiences constantly failing at even the most minute and basic shit but I eventually learned that life is unfair and we all just have to deal with it. Going back to relationships, yeah it's down to luck whether someone will like you even people with flawless pick-up skills face a lot of rejection but you just have to live with it, put up with it and keep trying to find someone and eventually you'll end up with someone. I suppose that is basically the same message Spiky was trying to deliver but in a much more relaxed and detailed manner. It's easy to be deterred and feeling like giving up but that's life in general and if you want something then you just have to stomach the bullshit and eventually you'll earn it, sure some people will see results in a very short amount of time whilst some people may have to put up with bullshit for years but honestly if for those in the latter and never giving up and finding what they seek in the end really deserve it for perseverance and mental fortitude alone and the end result is much, much sweeter compared to those who can get what they want in two seconds flat. So that's it's own reward if you just keep going.

I'm usually the quiet fella sitting in the corner of the site but sometimes I feel like I need to get my opinion out there :D

Many people have a hard time identifying that the problem can in fact be themselves. It is easy to say that no one likes you/loves you it is not easy to explain "why?" simply because most people have never even tried to have an introspective look at themselves. If you cannot be objective with yourself as a person to help yourself grow you certainly will not be attractive to someone who will sometimes want an objective opinion from their partner to help them. How can you be with someone if you cannot be alone?

I still may think you're a pompous ass, but that doesn't mean I don't respect you in a way. Yes, there are far to many here who bitch and moan as if them being single/rejected/broken up/lonely...etc, is the worst thing in the world. Everyone knows what loneliness is and everyone deals with it. One can not be forced to see the light if they are stuck in the shadows. There's an old saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. My point is, just because you're being blunt doesn't mean anyone Will care, in fact your approach from your first post tends to actually push people away rather than make them listen. This in itself is not a bad thread, just a bad first step. Preach it, but preach it in a way that draws people in. By the way, I'm an ass too.;)

With some people it's too easy to wallow in self pity and blame the world around them, rather than put any effort into improving their situation. "Life isn't fair", thanks for stating the obvious, tell me how bad you have it after working at a homeless shelter or food bank for a week. Elliot Rogers was a real piece of work. Women were little more than objects that owed him happiness. For all that is available about his mental state and hatred of everyone, where are the stories from the women he asked out? How did he approach them? What did he say or try to start conversations with? If his approach was as repulsive as he sounds in his tirades then it's no surprise he was rejected.

The oly thing i got to complain bout this time o night is my damn good wine is almost out. :( Everyone just needs to go with the flow and relax...