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hell_hound7
Contrary to popular belief china uses underhanded tactics and long term strategy sending one of their only potential allies against the west to their doom isnt smart
momoichi
Mar 06, 22 at 12:29pm
underhanded doesnt equal stupid. on the contrary, its a smarter means to an end than being upfront and truthful. theyr smart enough to know that having other nations rely on you is the best form of influence, which is something the us use to know as well (you think theres even an ounce of altruism in their "helping" of africa? absolutely not) the american economy is growing steadily, and the russians were doing way better than before the sanctions and their banks shutting down. even their people arent listening to the propaganda anymore and are protesting this war. ukrainians and russians alike are standing against the russian government. all theyv succeeded in doing is pushing their neighboring countries into joining the european union and nato. look at their armies and their equipment. theyr tanks are running out of fuel, the only reliable asset the russian government has are missiles, and theyr making plenty use of them. i change my stance on the war, im against america getting involved. these sanctions and no fly zones are hurting russia so much that theyr proclaiming that any other european country that imposes another sanction will be an act of war.
momoichi
Mar 06, 22 at 12:30pm
russia shooting itself in the foot and pushing its neighbors away is exactly what china wants. why take taiwan now when you can passively manipulate russia into becoming a vassal state and have taiwan later?
hell_hound7
Yeah im saying this isnt China's doing as anti-china as i am im not gonna pin the blame on this war on them this is all putin. China would never send russia to its doom like that. The entirety of NATO literally crippled russia without actually intervening. Ukrainians standing up to russia as well was probably unexpected. I think putin thought he could scare the Ukrainians into submission but he wasnt actually in tune with his own military. Thats where leaders like him fail. Its also where leaders like ours fail too. I feel a bottom up approach is better than a top down one. Who knowsbwhat war looks like? The ones fighting it. Ofc zalinsky gets praise cuz he is on the frontlines fighting. Whereas putin isnt. Its a gripe i also have about the current Us military. These top generals develope life changing rules and shit. Without so much as knowing what the everyday grunt has to deal with. By having tone deaf people too high up the politicians pant seam that they literally kill their own forces in the process (quite literally with these suicide rates skyrocketing) you have this toxic environment. The difference between russia and Ukraine rn. Is the Ukrainians trust their government, they havent abandoned them and alot of them are fighting for more backing. Russia has no one, No ally, no back up, no reinforcement.
momoichi
Mar 06, 22 at 1:22pm
im not pinning the blame anywhere but russia. at the end of the day this is an unsubstantiated theory. simply a reason as to why putin felt emboldened enough to invade. lets say that this was proven, the blame would still be primarily on putin for doing the action, even if he was manipulated. china simply flicked the dominoes, they didnt set them up. even if russia did think that no other countries would engage them in war, they had to know that sanctions would be levied. they arent a rich country, and natural gasses and oil (i believe oil) is what they have an abundance of, but no more than that. they have more to lose by losing trade with other countries than other countries do to lose trade with them. perhaps china told them that they would give them supplies, that they would aid them in an effort to embolden putin into ruin. but now theyr consorting with both ukraine and russia *shrug* i still think its a plausible theory and i wouldnt put it past the ccp to do something like this when theyv proven to find value in bolstering poorer countries and having othem subordinate to them (aka north korea)
kuharido
Mar 06, 22 at 3:25pm
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chocopyro
Mar 06, 22 at 4:02pm
@hell_hound7 1: Hitler was voted in too. He ran on a christian platform, ran a fraudulent smear campaign, and after getting in quickly dropped the values he ran on. I think Putin took a lot of inspiration from both Stalin and Hitler. 2: I hesitate to call Putin a dictator myself, if only because he runs his country more like a mafia than an autocrat. Hence why there's an oligarchy thing going on. I agree with you there. But the man's still got an authoritarian iron grip on the country. 3: I don't cheer for the death of Russian soldiers. This was Putin's war to begin with, and it sucks for all parties involved. 4: Technically, this started with Crimea, and the problem for him is that the Ukrainians have had 7 years to entrench themselves in defensively while getting their troops trained to a Nato standard. Putin wanted a blitzkrieg, and he got a costly Iraq styled conflict instead. Kinda karma considering how Russia kept supplying the rebels back in the day to drive up the costs for our war effort. And with the sanctions on top of that, even the Oligarchs are starting to feel their loyalty be tested. @daggerfella So the only one of those outlets I've even heard of is TYT. I prefer policy channels over sensationalism, but from what I have watched of them, fear mongering isn't their preferred manipulation strategy. They're usually just agitating. Has it ever been used? Well, Cenk Uygur is former fox news, so like... Yeah, you might be on to something, but you are only further emphasizing my point as well. XD
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projectotakux
@daggerfella or go full on shimonetta
chocopyro
Mar 06, 22 at 4:30pm
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