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godspell @godspell Um berserk xD does that count?

godspell @godspell history strongest Kenichi because the author died midway

godspell @godspell what's your favorite political story? Mine akumetsu where it doesn't hit you on the head for it on its message on politics

Lamby @momoichi hmmmm not many political manga out there. i sometimes joke that gantz had an anti-immigration subtext. i googled that manga, is it dont by boichi? the art looks really familiar. aggretsuko was great with its commentary on working conditions in japan. manga wise, does mahou shoujo site count? cause i feel like you could argue it tries to shed a light on the mental illness issue in japan

godspell @godspell Hmm I'm think of more of the lines like code geass and maybe attack on titan. Where they use politics in their Mangas

godspell @godspell also if you haven't read akumetsu it is amazing

Lamby @momoichi hmmm. cant really think of a manga like that off the top of my head. havent seen code geass in aaaages and never finished attack on titans. i wish kiseji kept going, the aliens entering human politics was suuuuuper interesting, i wanna see where that goes from there

godspell @godspell xD maybe we'll see it in dandadan

Lamby @momoichi oh where you at in dandadan?

godspell @godspell latest chapter

godspell @godspell Also watched first ep of moon knight. Can't wait for more

Lamby @momoichi niiiiice. weird theyr doin a ranma thing with jiji, but not too surprising xD i think the evil eye arc might be my favorite (the subterranean thing was a fun twist, but man do they like ripping their skin off xD)

godspell @godspell I think the author pops off on each chapter

Lamby @momoichi idk, art, yeah the dudes hella talented, but the underwater arc was r4eeaallyy under whelming. the mangaka handles the romance aspect really clumsily too, feels like some shoujo doujin. he was an assistant to fujimoto, i expect better

godspell @godspell Hmm nah romance is pretty good in the eyes of fans. I hear a lot of Fandom love the ship. They live and breath it

Lamby @momoichi gyaru and nerd is a good ship, but the moments are simply drawn horribly and paneled like an amateur doujin. that finger holding thing from last chapter should have been pretty, but the faces were weirdly expressed and 0 creative paneling

godspell @godspell what you up to btw

Lamby @momoichi drawin and listenin to musix. you?

godspell @godspell Got home watching naruto rp on vr chat

godspell @godspell Also watched moon knight ep 1. I wanna see fan art of Cinnabon Steven

Lamby @momoichi howd ya like it?

godspell @godspell I love the pacing and storytelling. Poor Steven. He has himself restraint. Pours sand around his bed. Puts a piece of tape on his door. Because he feels like he leaves every night. And he's right. But the personality that does it. Doesn't go through the conventional means. He loses times in his day. Has things happen to him he never did

godspell @godspell The villian a cult leader who brings salvation in the form of judging people for what they will do in the future. So he offers people an afterlife. Because he has a goddess ammut who can judge a person soul

godspell @godspell Poor baby thought he was going on a date on Friday. But he missed it. It was already Sunday

godspell @godspell Phos wanting to talk to them

Lamby @momoichi she talks a lot, need specifics >:O also whatcha thinkin? good or nah?

godspell @godspell she's paired up with jade the librarian

Lamby @momoichi aaahhh. enjoying!?

godspell @godspell It's still refreshing. Also don't you hate when you're like this is the best in the genre then you get proven wrong

Lamby @momoichi patience, young patawan. i didnt decide this was my favorite manga until i got to the last page. proven wrong? whats the context?

godspell @godspell Well my favorite sports manga of all time is usually eyeshield 21 or Hajime no ippo. Right now this baseball really good called bungo

Lamby @momoichi eyehsield 21 is that good? i know that was murata's first manga, but he handled one punch so poorly i kinda assumed it wasnt worth its own art. i started reading ippo but never finished it D: i never finished slam dunk either. is bungo a new manga?

godspell @godspell I need to reread slam dunk bc I feel like I can appreciate it more now. And yeah eyeshield was really good when he wrote. He made it very easy to understand and follow football plays. Hajime is very tough. The author only draws 10 pages now since he's getting In age. But both series create this wonderful story

godspell @godspell Slam dunk should be top tier for me. But I think nostalgia factor wins over me in regards of ippo and eyeshield

Lamby @momoichi oh yeah slam dunk was great, i didnt drop it i just gotta get around to reading it again. that 90s style never appealed to me, but the plot was great. apparently the mangaka used a ton of actual nba photographs for his full page art shot. i find it really interesting that a japanese man would be interested in football, and i know muratas art is top tier, so i will get around to reading it. ippo and finishing slam dunk are priorities though

Lamby @momoichi do you read much alternative sport manga? the other month i started reading a ballet manga and a week later an anime was announced. super excited, i think i saw that it was by the same mangaka for ballroom e yokuso

godspell @godspell 90s style xD this man was the one who makes art out of each panel as his style xD the one who creates real and vagabond

godspell @godspell Read one out. It's psychological and gambling on a baseball team

Lamby @momoichi wait the mangaka for slam dunk is the same for vagabond?! its called One Out? got a link?

godspell @godspell I never use website just pirating apps. And yeah he wrote all of those. Also yeah just called one out

Lamby @momoichi uwaaaahhh fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine. you gotta read boys on the run. you liked i am hero, boys on the run is even better

godspell @godspell I am hero. Is iffy. The rest of serious I don't know how to feel about it

godspell @godspell I've also been trying to process suicide island and rainbow

Lamby @momoichi oh i thought you really liked it. suicide island sounds familiar, is that where if your caught trying to commit suicide your thrown on an island? or was it that oshimi manga? i think i tried to read it cause it sounded like btoooom but wasnt a fan of the art

godspell @godspell I think from the first half it really had me. But by the end it was losing me. Just cause an art bad doesn't mean the message isn't portrayed right. And yeah and the one where suicide equals island

godspell @godspell I love her and callie

godspell @godspell She is an apex predator

godspell @godspell That was the first year of being batman. This is the second year where the villains have changed. They aren't petty crooks. Also batman came back to gothams two years ago after traveling world studying everything he needed to know. Arkham asylum was already established years ago. The arkhams are on his mother side of the family because the Arkhams were prone to madness. Thats why there's a world where his mom became joker and his father became batman. That's also why the suit not perfect. The glider mode still not perfect. Or the batmobile being a regular car with an open engine. For some reason you want more of a comic book protrayl however that's not what I want to see. I'd rather have inspiration from comics that creates a new movie entirely

godspell @godspell Because the suit is far from perfect. It's rugged and hard to move in. Not as agile as he would want it to be. Everything was made by him. He hasn't even fully used the resources he normally has. The detective mode eye glasses were amazing like the video games. I'm also very happy with the deleted scene of Joker. He was a serial killer in batman first year that was knocked into acid cause his hair to grow green. His skin destroyed and blistered. Also the deformed smile

Lamby @momoichi this movie was nooooot set in the second year of him being batman. he already had the bat mobile and his whole ass suit! with all the fuckin gadgets! you cant tell me he whipped all that up in the span of a fucking year WHILE fighting crime!? that within the span of a fucking year he rebuilt arkham asylum and that he already put the joker inside? that he made that weird ass hulk juice within the span of a year? no. that makes no sense. also robert patterson is too old to play an early 20s batman

godspell @godspell No he is in his 20s. Because you can see in journal's year two. The news also reporting about the batman. Talking about how today marks the two year anniversary sighting of the batman. This isn't even close to the gadgets he would have in future though when the villians escalate even further. Also the weird juice isn't something he created. It's venom. An experimental drug giving the user more strength and stamina. Aka the drug used by bane to become super strong. Yes the joker was a serial killer deformed since birth. However during his fight with batman he got knocked over into acid.

godspell @godspell If you see on the deleted scene Joker says this is our one year anniversary and you bring paper. This isn't enough gadgets though. A bullet suit proof a must. A eye ware piece to record information since he can't take these pieces of evidence with him. A grappling hook. An imperfect flying suit. This isn't there to forms of Christian bale or Michael Keaton

Lamby @momoichi i know that rob played a younger batman, but i figured it was a few years and hes started to gain some attention. dude idc if this isnt a log of gadgets for batman, my dude had a hulk serum already created incase of deus exmachina. also, how is the general public supposed to know that was bane juice? how did he get his hands on bane juice. he already defeated bane? again, i point to this being TWO FUCKING YEARS!

Lamby @momoichi a lot* fug

Lamby @momoichi i watched the deleted scene thing, and i really liked the joker being horribly disfigured. id love to see him wear a clown mask instead of make up. itd be a fresh iteration of his appearence. sad that the acid didnt make him super white though, isnt that the point of him falling into it? thats why hes white?

godspell @godspell They don't explicitly tell you. Even the director hasn't been asked that because people assume it's adrenaline. My personal theory comic book wise is that it is venom. No he hasn't defeated bane. Bane in later years used venom to inject it into his mind and body. A more potent version. Batman has it because he may need it as a last ditch effort to save someone.

godspell @godspell Yeah in the acid it bleaches his skin. But honestly I'd wanna see him wearing makeup that would be cool. He chooses to be a clown

godspell @godspell I love this Joker already. He was creepy. Fascinated by batman only thinking of him after the year they met. Hes already established he's smart. He's figure out the riddler and takes advantage to manipulate him. Also if you see in the shots. He stole the paper clip on the files

Lamby @momoichi it was a dues ex machina though, even you have to agree to this. this was no chekovs gun, this was never established, he legit just pulled it out of his suit in the end. and again, the implication would bve hes defeated bane. bane and joker in two years? no fucking way. its unrealistic to assume he came out of his training able to bring down super villains asap, and also had that fuckin suit ready made. id LOVE to see a struggling batman, not one that fights throngs of criminals and can get hit by a metal pipe like its a rubber snake. to have a movie where he climbvs through petty criminals and ends it with defeating his first super villain would have been fucking amazing.

godspell @godspell Bane never created it. In the comics he was born in the prison. He stayed in isolation training his body and mind with the library. Then he was chosen knowing it's pretty much death. For extermination on the use of the drug. But he survived and escaped. Batman got it through connections on replicating the serum from past files. You say struggle. But this isn't a movie to watch him fight. He still lost pretty much. The 4 most important and corrupt men in gotham are dead. Creating a vacuum in the city someone gonna take over. I like this film. Its more different than him beating people up and beating up the villian

godspell @godspell I would have been so bored otherwise

godspell @godspell Besides they beat the shit out of him with their shotguns and rifles. That amount of pain going through him

godspell @godspell I seriously wanna watch a trilogy of this. But the director a one and done movie kinda guy. Plus warner bros are stupid as shit. Because that man has offered me a riddler and Joker team up. And a realistic mr freeze. So please movie gods

Lamby @momoichi dude i shouldnt have to read so deep that i gotta be into bane comics to understand the film. i know banes backstory (begrudgingly) but to say 'he obviously bane juice from these files' when all the scene showed was him downing this vial in his suit and hulking out is a leap. logically it makes sense, but how is the average movie viewer suppose to connect those dots? and it. is. still. a. deus. ex. machina. idc how he got it, they never even uttered banes name and he had that vial in his suit. chekov gun that shit. if the riddler foreshadowing was so impressive, how was this just thrown out. wtf? he lost? every fist fight he owned in. even if the town flooded, he still saved the day. he found his epiphany. i did like that riddler outsmarted him, but thats the thing. batman in this is fucking stupid. they TELL you hes smart. that hes created all of these inventions and has solved these codes, yet his actions are stupid. he has 0 emotional intelligence as well. again, the riddler poured his heart out to batman, and all he could do was scorn him for it. wow, real nice of you, you really are justice personified, talking down to a fucking orphan. i guess he only cares about orphans when theyr kids. they can all starve when they hit 18. this just harkens back to the biggest hypocrisy of the character batman; he beats the shit out of orphans. out of the poor and destitute. out of people he may have become if he didnt have mommy and daddys billions and a fucking butler.

Lamby @momoichi but hey, im glad you like it. everyone liked it, apparently. its good that you can appreciate something i cant! i didnt hate the movie personally just thought it was so bad its good actually, and i liked catwoman, penguin, and riddler too. plus im curious to see joker as well

godspell @godspell I think they made it perfectly. I felt it was a love letter for the years of batman. This director loves batman. He threw inspiration from Kurt Cobain songs too while writing movie. It's why he chose Robert Pattison too. He watched his indie movies while listening to Kurt Cobain and researching him. So if you look up the album he was listening to. It was basically Bruce Wayne journey throughout the movie. And Robert Pattison because Kurt Cobain wanted to change the world with music. Robert pretty much the same. He wants to be a great actor but never wants the fame it comes with. Because this is his first main stream movie in a long time.

Lamby @momoichi really? i like rob cause in harry potter he aimed his wand like a gun cause he said wands looked nerdy. i mean, kurt hurted because of the commodification of his art, so weird comparison when rob just seems like the average celeb

godspell @godspell Well his acting is good. Like really good if you've seen his indie movies. Because indie movies don't have the same funding or marketing as a blockbuster movie. So in those movies he had to try his hardest in all these roles but he had time to work on it. On batman he had a month to prepare for a four year journey of making this movie

Lamby @momoichi uuggghhh but he was basically a rock as batman xD rob is a great actor, but tbh iv only ever seen him as edward in twilight. i saw an article but i think it was a meme, where he played shadow sonic game to prepare for the movie xD i like to think he really did, least thats my headcanon

Lamby @momoichi oh, he did ced well in harry potter. acting is hard for kids, but he did really well

godspell @godspell Idk I think he portrayed batman and Bruce Wayne as one entity. This was a new protrayl I've never seen before. I'm sure if there was a sequel it be different. Though you have to admit you've never seen a batman talk as much as him

godspell @godspell I think it was a fantastic performance full of anger and trauma that honestly i never saw in any batman movie

Lamby @momoichi isnt the point that batman and bruce wayne should be two different people? the elegant socialite vs the violent brooding vigilante?

godspell @godspell Yeah but these are the first two years. Where he's still reeling from the trauma. The anger he's kept deep inside and he let's it all out like a tantrum on the criminals. However he realizes he has to be both. He has to be to help the city. However with corruption that's difficult

Lamby @momoichi uugghhhh you keep saying still reeling from the trauma. he was like ten. its been atleast ten years. wev all lost a loved one, and wev all moved on. whats stopped him? his billions and his butler?

godspell @godspell Even though he was 10. He had perfect memory. He remembers every moment that night. He felt like he could have stopped it even though he was 6 or so. He had relatives who wanted him for the inheritance. He was able to live with Alfred as a caring butler (even though he realized he's basically his father). Though every night he wakes up from nightmares. So he left home when he was in his teens. Trying to discover himself to find peace. Realizing what he could do is bring peace to the city his parents loved and tried to care for. He made a promised he do everything in his power to protect the city or against criminals that took their lives

godspell @godspell No child should be orphaned from easily a regular mugging. He felt so strongly on that poor child losing his father he saw before trick or treating. It was also the same day he lost his parents which was intentional in riddler plans. To hurt the last Wayne who escaped the orphanages unlike him

Lamby @momoichi he has perfect memory? isnt that just an interation thing, not concrete canon? cause iv never heard that before. he was 6?! thats even worse xD he GOT to have a parental figure, one that loved him enough to want to protect him. like i said, the riddler is fucking right. bruce wayne has everything, and yet is still a whiney little bitch. the riddler had worse, so much worse. so did the other orphans. but how does bruce respond to a fellow orphan? to insult him. to call him a failure and then leave when its clear the riddler saw him as his only friend. what the fuck was that scene, how do you justify this??

godspell @godspell I think trauma makes everyone equal with money or not. Everyone has trauma and not everyone can heal the same way. I think batman too far gone to change how he is. He has young prodigies but what he wants is to them to be different than him. That's why for Robin they caught the one who killed his parents so he wouldn't become like him. A failure someone who allowed his revenge consume him and allowing so many people to get hurt by the end of it. Because who knows how many people he killed with that flood and power vacuum he created.

godspell @godspell He couldn't give anyone such validation that his actions were alright though. He was a sick man. Who as an accountant was able to find out the corruption of the city of where the money actually went to instead of the orphanages. He went crazy. He was unwell by writing over and over again. What he must become

godspell @godspell Also Joker stated it himself. He's actually afraid of validating that these people had it coming. He cannot sympathize with these actions he refuses it from morality

Lamby @momoichi thats just not true. can you imagine the difference between the fear of watching your parents die and then being thrown into an unknown place with a bunch of unknown children, havign rats bite at your toes, having no real stability, and watching your fellow children die every winter? that that child is suffering no more than one that is protected and comfortablke and warm with an adult that has love to give them and advice to mold them with?

godspell @godspell I dont believe he's been able to find a way to do so yet. How can a broken man who doesn't care about if he dies tell someone else as broken as him advice

Lamby @momoichi which at this point, feels willful. he doesnt WANT TO let them go. to move on. which happens sometimes, and would explain his emotional immaturity, but then address that. add it into the film. make it a point of growth. yet they dont

Lamby @momoichi and it isnt 'how can he give them advice' how about just not berating the dude xD the guy who had it so much worse than you. maybe realize 'shit, i kinda had it pretty sweet, i better go hug alfred'

godspell @godspell I feel like they didn't want to. Because it would be like every other batman first movies another origin movie. With again flashbacks of his parents getting killed. I've seen it way too many times. I'm tired of seeing it honestly. I think that's fair. Even if that did those shots. I feel like it would take away from the movie

godspell @godspell The movie was 3 hrs long not really steering away from the plots. But as well leaving sub plots that need to be wrapped up

Lamby @momoichi exactly! thats what it comes down to! they did not want to. it was willful, because it didnt fit into the plot. he has 0 emotional growth throughout when there are opportunities where he should. you bring up him being in no place to give advice, and yet he did with catwoman. he told her not to kill him, to be better than that. who is he to give advice about ventange when he cant even live like a normal human being because hes so absorbed in his own?? that should have been an eye openign experience for him. for him to see himself in catwomans self destructive quest for vengeance. but no. because that means character growth, and we need to keep batman sulky and sad

Lamby @momoichi vengeance* sorry my spelling is shit im just spergin

Lamby @momoichi dude how long was that fucking car chase scene? felt like half the movie.

godspell @godspell I think we did get character growth. He was changing on his outlook on how to do things. He shouldn't be rageful as he is. He can't let it consume him. Because all it did was bring inspiration to a mad man and his followers who were inspired by vengeance. He has to become the batman to bring hope to the city that there is at least one man in the city trying to improve the city. Also of course he has every right to give advice to catwoman. Because he would gladly kill the man who may or may not have killed his family shaping who he was

godspell @godspell We have the possible sequel to explore these changes. I wouldn't want character growth to happen and take away from the tone of the movie. So I believe it will be different

godspell @godspell btw I left comments on your profile

Lamby @momoichi rageful, dude barely ever got angry xD he was monotone the majority of the film, only lashing out rarely. that more exemplifies someone that isnt full of rage, but just someone who cant handle their own emotions. and AGAIN if his quest was purely for vengeance, WHY did he fight petty criminals? why did he get involved with riddlers case? if he only cared about solving his parents murder, that would be his fixation, but it wasnt. he was a general crime fighter, yet they wanted to paint it like his need to avenge his parents was his true drive. it wasnt, or he would have spent all his time doing that. hell, he didnt even bother digging into his own parents backgrounds to find the motivation for someone to want to kill them. that implies he never investigated it to begin with.

godspell @godspell He can't avenge his parents it was the one case without any evidence to go off of. If there was the person covering it up is dead. Oh he was rageful you can tell with his speech and tone. Until he had to be methodical and cold with his methods like a surgeon. Every moment he was caught off guard too. Besides he one man. He needs a system later on with police and Das that will persecute the ones on top. Because carmine would have gotten out from jail

godspell @godspell I mean look at the movie. Corrupt police commissioner and police in his pockets. Plus they hate batman. They don't respect him or want him in their city. Right now it's not possible to catch the elite without the right help

Lamby @momoichi dude, he didnt even try. if he did try he would have known that shit about his parents. so where does the drive for vengeance come from? who is he targeting? why isnt he killing criminals in that case? clearly this isnt vengeance, this is him trying to clean the streets. "hes just one man" that can eat multiple hits from a iron pipe apparently. one man that can easily fight off 6 people without taking a lick. it is inarguable that he is op in this film. hes super smart and also strong and also handsome and also rich. gimme a break. i would love a scene like the hammer scene from old boy. out of breath, tumbling around. that was a real fight. he gets tired after every hit. he feels the attacks against him. old boy is the ultimate revenge story, and exemplifies its toxicity perfectly.

godspell @godspell Didn’t he do that when he basically destroyed that man face in the final scene.

godspell @godspell Of course it’s vengeance he mentally projects the criminal on every hood he beats the shit out of. Alfred even says you were just a boy you couldn’t have done anything

Lamby @momoichi do what?

Lamby @momoichi its not vengeance because he lets them go. he has a no murder policy. why if he hates these people? where does this moral highground come from when your on a quest for revenge? its clear that this is him wanting to make gotham a better place, he wants to stop crime, but they call it vengeance because bad writing

godspell @godspell He was vengeance he represents the city that needs to be healed from the sickness of crime. That’s why in the beginning he creates a plane to instill fear into villains to think twice on committing any crimes. Why wouldn’t he have a high ground on it. If he does kill he wouldn’t be able to do what he does

Lamby @momoichi by that logic vengeance is good. its healthy, its healing. isnt the point of the ending him realizing vengeance is no bueno? cause it is indeed no bueno. it creates a cycle of pain. i refer you to oldboy.

Lamby @momoichi i like that they gave riddler a ted kazinsky vibe, but idk about the yandere thing

Lamby @momoichi also, not a fan of him being a pseudo batman, i prefer him being a reclusive nerd that wants friends but cant make human connections, so he projects his favorite things, riddles/puzzles, onto others

godspell @godspell No I think he was perfect. He didn't care about being Bruce Wayne at all. He was a recluse no one watches. He believes he should be batman and that should be his legacy. All his anger and trauma all focus on all of his actions. He was prefect. That's how the first two years of batman were full of anger and no restraint.

godspell @godspell I was fine with that for riddler. Because this is a realistic world. Though obsession of becoming a somebody a focal point of attention made sense. He wanted everyone to know who he is. He was trying to connect with batman because he could solve his riddlers. He became instant friends with Joker just because of Joker riddle.

godspell @godspell Cudos to Paul Dano for his acting. Because he showed he wasn't sure or was sure that batman was Bruce Wayne. So did you figure out the riddler plan like I did?

Lamby @momoichi hes not really a recluse, he had followers, which i also didnt like. joker had followers. i like riddler as a littlw dweeb that forces social interactions out of people on his own terms. i also loved penguine. danny devito left huuuuuge shoes to fill, and i was iffy at first, but he did it great. i also loved catwoman, but the whole "HES MY FATHER!' was cringey. her wanting to help her friend was good enough reason to let her struggle with wanting revenge. but holy shit. robert patterson was sooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaad. it was hilarious. i couldnt stop laughing whenever he was on screen. which sucks cause he was so hot with the black make up and outfits, but oh man he was just a rock. him and catwomen had 0 chemistry. she have a good performance, but he was a wet sock the entire time. 0 reason why she would be into him.

godspell @godspell Oh no the recluse was batman. I felt it was fine because the riddler having people appreciate his was fun to watch his appreciation for him. Also I was fine with catwoman and the father side plot that was building up to it. Because he did ruin her life strangling her mother. Him deserving to be robbed of his money (which she did steal) but im also tired of catwoman appearing in batman films.

godspell @godspell Robert Pattison performance wasn't bad at all. I'm quite tired of hearing that. Because this batman was different. He was chatty. He would actually talk to people instead of being a silent brooding figure. He was a detective and discussed/work with commissioner Gordon which no other film has portrayed. I do believe you're right there didn't feel any chemistry between batman and catwoman. Because I feel batman didn't feel like he deserved or needed a love one

Lamby @momoichi dude, batman literally yelled at alfred "YOUR NOT MY REAL DAD". if he was a teenager id understand, but he is a whole ass adult. and he gave 0 emotion. constantly, 0 emotion. he was a dick to alfred for no reason. they presumed so much about batmans character, for us to be like 'oh batman acts like this because i already know his story' but it didnt work. i dont know why hes an asshole to alfred. look at catwomen, she was an orphan too and didnt have all of his money, yet shes a more well rounded human being. even riddler has a better grip of maturity than batman did. he acted like an angry hormonal teen. the plot was stupid too, i liked that the waynes had some corruption within them, but the whole 'the murder was an inside job!' was cliche. i liked it just being a tragic accident that happened to two good people. a meaningless act of violence. why not? gotham is a cesspool. a mugging gone wrong is good enough reason for them to be murdered. also, why was he fighting crime if all he cared about was solving his parents murders? why was he at the scene of the crime of the riddlers first victim? i thought he only cared about his parents? the story doesnt even acknowledge what theyr trying to accomplish

godspell @godspell He slowly opened up in the series realizing the faults he has committed. In believing no one should be important to him. The only thing important to him in the beginning was being batman. He was grappling with the two identities he had. He saw what that can do. Because riddler let his other face. His true face take over his entire identity throwing it all away

Lamby @momoichi does he? from my memory when riddler brings up legitate critisizes with bruce wayne (what iv been sayin since forever!) bruce ignores it. 0 emotion from being called out for being a brooding manchild. just goes on to call him a failure. if he was lashing out from being insulted, i had 0 context to believe that. when your wearing a fuckin mask you have to emote harder. purse your lips, clench your jaw, swallow hard. i saw none of that. he just stared at him vacantly and then called him a failure. riddler tells him 'i was in an orphanage and my fingers got bitten by rats at night," and batman is legit like "your a failure i hate you," like holy shit dude chill, he just told you his life story and your gonna be a dick about it cause he called you privileged? just makes batman seem like more of a manchild.

Lamby @momoichi legitimate criticisms*

godspell @godspell True one can be angsty. But hes been back to gotham two years ago. He hasn't seen Alfred for years. Sure they can put why he was a dick to Alfred. But im like I don't need to see another origin happen again. Also he said it in the beginning that this is his plan to heal the city from crime. He documents every night he's been out. Of course he would be at the crime scene Gordon called in the bat signal because the letter was addressed to him. This was a deep case outlying the Wayne's corruption on how one man wanted to do right and wanted to protect his family turned to an evil man. Then get killed for it. He has to protect the city his family gave their lives for

Lamby @momoichi also, when its saying bruuuuuuuce waaaaayne i thought he was alluding to the fact that he knew he was bruce wayne. so when hes liek "I HATE BRUCE WAYNE and i wub you batman!" i was lost. there needed to be better context to show he had no idea why batman really was

godspell @godspell Because he already psycho analyzed him from their meeting. This guy is not well. He's seeking validation from batman. He wants him to tell him it's ok what he's doing he has reason to do so. He wants a friend to be alright with his actions. Because riddler never killed anyone. And he's killed four people already. One can even say these riddles are all methods for him wanting to be stopped.

godspell @godspell Of course he hates Bruce Wayne. The Wayne project was perverted and taken advantage of instead of helping the orphans. That was alluding to him trying Guage his reactions to see if he was correct that it is Bruce Wayne after piecing it together

Lamby @momoichi he had the angst of a teenage boy. again, he was a dick to alfred, why? because he wanted him to be responsible? when he sees the video of catwoman hes so happy he finally might have a friend xD and he seriously did the "YOUR NOT MY REAL DAD" like. come on. and again, why is he fighting crime when all he wanted to do was solve his parents crime? to add onto that, he built arkham asylum. he funds politicians like two face. WHY IS HE FINE WITH WAYNES ENTERPRISES GOING UNDER WHEN THATS THE MONEY HES USING TO SAVE GOTHAM! it makes no sense!!

godspell @godspell Wtf you mean he never was able to solve it. Alfred even said he wasn't sure either. That it could have been falcone or random fucking mugging. He never fucking did batman to solve his parent murder never even said it. Until he wanted to know the truth was falcone did it or not. Never answered since he died. Could never face trial. Also what do you mean Wayne enterprises going under. He doesn't care. All he wants to be is batman. After this movie he'll start to form his mask. Being Bruce Wayne and running the company as well. Because you already saw in the movie. Even if you have money try to fix the city like Bruce Wayne father. You're still fucked

Lamby @momoichi riddler is insane, yes, but the criticism was real. while riddler shivered cold in the winters, bruce was comfy and safe in his mansion, and yet he was all people cared for. this isnt the ramblings of a madman, this is logical thinking. and if we are to assume these are tha ramblings of a madman, why did batman lash out at him? call him a failure? thats doubley cruel. and the riddler did kill people. his first victim he bludgeons and then suffocates. i know why he hates bruce wayne, he is justified for that resentment. but there was 0 context to make us believe he was being like 'bruuucce waaaayne' as a way of hinting 'i know who you are' and why wouldnt riddler investigate who batman is? it wouldnt be hard to find out. hes clearly a genius

Lamby @momoichi what are you refering to "he never was able to solve it"? im not saying that he couldnt solve the murder, im saying if thats all he cared about, why did he help with petty crime to? apparently he cared so little about anything else that he was neglecting the family business, and his big lesson in the end of 'i was helping, just not how i intended uwu wevenge isnt the end up be all uwu" alludes to the fact that he only ever cared about solving their murder, but clearly his actions prove otherwise.

Lamby @momoichi HE SHOULD CARE IF WAYNES ENTERPRISE WENT UNDER! THATS MY POINT! how else does he fund projects like arkham! infact, is arkham even a state institution, or does he completely fund it?? and how does he expect to pay for his shiny toys and gadgets without mommy and daddys money?? him letting the business die literally makes NO sense

godspell @godspell I was at work ;.; I just tossed him money and said get what you want

Lamby @momoichi id say he spent it on bitches (heh, get it) but hes an old man. probz bought a 40 and is watchin the news.

godspell @godspell I think hes a mafia boss

Lamby @momoichi why do you think so? did he get into your spaggs? does he listen to frank sinatra when your out of the room? does he slip you 20s and say you didnt see nuttin?

godspell @godspell It feels like that's the case.

Lamby @momoichi why? he got a gang of other pompoms? my moms childhood cat was like that actually. when the cat would wanna go outside, she would open the door and see a bunch of cats standing in front of the door, and he would go off with them xD he was like the leader of some cat gang xD

godspell @godspell if only. He does rule the neighborhood

Lamby @momoichi how so? regale me of his antics

godspell @godspell well everyone always say hi to him. Dogs are always barking at him. And he disrespect him with pee

Lamby @momoichi you should give the neighborhood dogs mobster names, like two bone tony or tailwags-magie

godspell @godspell I should. What would you call a wiener dog

Lamby @momoichi hmmmm lanky legs larry.

godspell @godspell awww

Lamby @momoichi riiiiiight? we need to bring back giving people mafia nicknames

godspell @godspell Yeah especially those ironic mafia nicknames Tiny Tony but he's tall

Lamby @momoichi what would yours be? mine would be loose lips lamby, because i never spill my guts to the coppers when im pinched

godspell @godspell man im exhausted but going

godspell @godspell I sent you Lucas true form on discord

godspell @godspell None

Lamby @momoichi whore

godspell @godspell I'm trying damn it. I've been busy. My schedule has playing with dogs for 2 hrs and then work after laundry.

godspell @godspell I'll try reading at work

Lamby @momoichi chill it was a joke >w> i get your busy

godspell @godspell I am chill. It was in a calm joking tone. That really wants to read manga tbh

godspell @godspell I've read 15 chapters

Lamby @momoichi it doesnt get good til antarctic chapter (aka the sleepy arc) so dont judge it just yet

godspell @godspell It's very refreshing read. Even though each chapter the standard amount for some reason feels like I take so long on each chapter showing me these flawed beings

Lamby @momoichi its standard slice of life FOR NOW i swear it gets dramatic and the ending is the saddest iv experienced. the ending of shiga himes got nothing on this manga.

Lamby @momoichi tell me when you get meet the sea dudes. i wanna fun fact dump on you about the core of the manga!

godspell @godspell I havent met sea dudes. I've only been reading the changes of phos after replacing their legs. Also I appreciate the translator of the scans that the Japanese translation was using more masculine words or they/their pronouns

Lamby @momoichi wait, but she repairs her legs through the shell of the sea dude right? so youv met them?

godspell @godspell We're they guys. Ruler was a female like princess. Only her brother was male

Lamby @momoichi fun fact! the three types (moonies, gems, and seaple) are based off of buddhism! the moonies are the spirit, the gems the bone, and seaple the flesh! this manga was heeaavviillyyy influenced by buddhist beliefs!

godspell @godspell Yes I know. Ruler explained it.

Lamby @momoichi ah, fug. no fun >3<

Lamby @momoichi well, in that case the fun fact is that its based on buddhist belief!!

godspell @godspell I kinda figure because the father figure a monk so this is derived by some form of Buddhism. But my knowledge is limited