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verucassault
War blows, no matter the reason. It's always a power struggle with governments and people in power and the plebs always get the shaft. Or about resources... probably more so than power struggles.
cur_lypav
Jul 14, 22 at 2:20pm
Don't take it personal buddy. I'm a man who honors his country, alright? Said it quite a few times but I dunno if your head has been wrapped around that yet.
swadian
Jul 14, 22 at 2:21pm
So we agree on irrational zealotry and nationalism then. Since there's no other way to describe it
cur_lypav
Jul 14, 22 at 2:25pm
If that's how it suits only you. Then Happy to help
sparkis
Jul 14, 22 at 2:25pm
@cur_lypav Putin did not want to start the war? I feel like this is a pretty ridiculous thing to say, don't you think? Who in your opinion wanted to start it then?
gdmh39
Putin didnt wanted to start it he was just taking the military for a walk around the borders of ukraine. But than the military got out of their leash and ran into ukraine likely chasing some butterflies. But than the Ukrainians saw the russian military off their leash and started firing. It was a massacre so putin wannted revenge. Dont forget all the ppls that never gave him a handshake that was also a trauma
cur_lypav
Jul 14, 22 at 2:28pm
I've established I'm not going argue with someone who can't even begin to look into my eyes I'm sorry to disappoint.
sparkis
Jul 14, 22 at 2:30pm
@cur_lypav Sorry man, just want to hear proper arguments on why Putin did not want to start the war.
swadian
Jul 14, 22 at 2:33pm
Rokas @sparkis the Russian side claims it was instigated by Ukraine to force Russia to defend itself and protect it's citizens which would bring Nato and the US against it, the thing is, if this was a reality then why would you take the bait instead of just accepting rebels as citizens?
nebelstern
Russia has an alibi, though. Ukraine has a large anti-Russian sentiment (that is justified), but the problem lies in the hordes of nazi military groups under Ukraine that HATE ethnic russians, especially in Luhansk and Donetsk, who want to secede from Ukraine. And they are kind of officialized by Ukranian authorities as heroes. The invasion in itself isn't justified, though, because Russia isn't invading because of this alibi, but because they want to stamp out Ukraine from joining an hostile military alliance on its side, which is NATO. Sure, Norway is also in NATO, but Ukraine kind of would make it worse, since yk, it actually has an army.
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