debate

thats not what moral consideration is you dont kill a person and thank them for the experience moral consideration means you consider their well being important, like we do humans so again, by your own trait you grant the same basic moral consideration to humans as you do animals and apparently plants by your own words you can always throw that out and try another trait?

im not, this is a debate what im trying to do is point out holes in your morality to say "abstract concepts" is extremely arbitrary, you can just pick another

but its not subjective in certain regards the majority arent ok with the needless killing of humans thats why we function as a society, because we agree on these things for our own benefit so im just pointing out that your being a hypocrite to extend these considerations to a human and disregard animals and i know hypocrite is an extremely loaded word, but im a hypocrite too i use eggs and dairy in my cooking and i know its harmful, aka im a hypocrite but i am going to be vegan again when i can

so i proved that 'abstract concept' is a trait that is in animals and as you said even vegetation so do you want to pick something else?

look I treat animals as I would treat my self actually I hold them higher than a human because they don't try to put order in chaos same goes with plants.