debate

saying abortion is "right or wrong" is a bit tough because there are two lives involved, not one what might be right for one life might be wrong for another my side would hinge on bodily autonomy that the mothers rights come first because she has bodily autonomy over a zygote and fetus a literal parasite that is inside her that affects her health and well being not just while inside her, but would also while outside of her can i ask why you believe that the mother's well being is second to an non sentient cluster of cells that is leeching off of her?

(fyi this is the best abortion meme) https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED349/5cfeb8e55526f.jpeg

@lamby see the rape scenario im on the fence about.either way abortion shouldnt be the option but i can see the reasoning behind it if someone does. You can always give up for adoption, albiet might not be best for the kid its still better than not being alive period and getting that choice. If you let some dude cum in you then thats ur fault, even if accidental and the condom broke. you knew the consequences, you should deal with it instead of shrugging off that responsibility. Babies arent parasites (to some degree) if you were able to be born and live your life long enough to spread your legs wider than the grand canyon your ass should spread those legs the same way to push that baby out in 9 months

but that doesnt answer my question, not at all ill ask again, why is the parasite given a higher moral imperative to the host? and before you say im poisoning the well, that is literally what a fetus is, it leeches off the mother and leaves her with adverse side effects so it is a host/parasite situation but i will answer what you said about cum the main purpose of sex is not to conceive, it is for recreation so i think the women is given an excuse as to why she doesnt have a reasonable expectation to get pregnant ill bring up as well that abortion laws do not drop the rate abortions are had, it stays the same the difference is women can have them in healthier places, like a hospital instead of a back alley so the laws are basically useless anyways, except to put women's health at risk at the whole rape scenario thing, im not even debating that, i think you dont need to to defend abortion

ill try and organize 1. Why does a fetus have more moral consideration over the woman? 2. If there was a fire in a building and there was a scientist and 50 petri dishes with dividing human cells creating human life that the scientist created, and you can only save either. Who would it be? The the adult scientist or the 10 petri dishes of cells? 3. What is the purpose of the law if it doesn't prevent abortions, and simply makes it more risky for the women's health? And does that not add evidence to show the desperation they could be going through in their lives to risk breaking the law and harming themselves to get rid of the fetus thats inside them?

Why should that baby not have rights and you should? So you get to kill it and go on with your life? And parasite she says, the baby didnt ask to be made but you made it so why should you decide it also dies. If thats the case how come parents cant kill their own kids after they are born? They are parasites then right? They need you to survive, you cant live your life the way you used to anymore right? They infringe on your rights correct? Thats dumb to think your life is above that baby last time i checked there were measures in place to prevent pregnancy if you end up pregnant thats all on you. If you were given the chance to live why dont you also do the same for the next generation? Little hypocritical dont you think?

"the baby didnt ask to be made but you made it so why should you decide it also dies" The women didn't ask to get pregnant, i do not believe that when having sex with a condom that there is a reasonable expectation to get pregnant in a world where sex is mostly used for recreation. "Why should that baby not have rights and you should? " So i would say that the fetus (its not a baby, its a fetus) does not have the same rights because of bodily autonomy. I have the rights over my own body, not the government. So the government can't take my organs or mess with my body in any way without my permission, much like why you have to be an organ donor to get your organs extracted after death. I think we can all agree that bodily autonomy is a very important right. "So you get to kill it and go on with your life?" I mean abortion is one of the toughest things a woman can go through. It's an invasive procedure. Do you think woman just get them like they brush their teeth? It's easily one of the hardest choices any woman can go through. " If thats the case how come parents cant kill their own kids after they are born? " Good question! So basically it would come down to sentients. Fetuses also are strongly believed to not be able to feel pain and are not sentient as a result. So it's a sentient creature's well being over a non sentient creatures well being. A plant over a Cat. So yes children are parasites, but are sentient ones. I believe that only those with sentience deserve moral consideration. "i checked there were measures in place to prevent pregnancy if you end up pregnant thats all on you." I think as a man there may be a disconnect on sex and pregnancy as for you sex isnt a risk of becoming pregnant so i'll give you a hypothetical that you can relate to. Let's say you get in a car drunk and know theres a risk of crashing, but disregard it because you gotta get home and pee. So you get in your car and than, bam, you hit another person. Afterwards you wake up and find that your suddenly strapped to a machine, with the person you ran over sleeping next to you. The doctors tell you that for the next 9 months you will be attached to him, growing him new organs along with acting as his organs in the meantime. You can not leave that bed until 9 months is over, where you will then shit out those organs through your penis, and he will be detached from you. Is this fair? (fyi i 100% believe i should have been aborted. because of my birth my mother had to marry my piece of shit of a father and iv absolutely been a drain on my mother. so, yeah, i should have been aborted xD and i only want to live because im alive. as a fetus i didnt wanna live, i didnt know i was alive, i could have been flushed out of there without a care on my part because i didnt know anything)

oh and incase you missed my set of questions 1. Why does a fetus have more moral consideration over the woman? 2. If there was a fire in a building and there was a scientist and 10 petri dishes with dividing human cells creating human life that the scientist created, and you can only save either. Who would it be? The the adult scientist or the 10 petri dishes of cells? 3. What is the purpose of the law if it doesn't prevent abortions, and simply makes it more risky for the women's health? And does that not add evidence to show the desperation they could be going through in their lives to risk breaking the law and harming themselves to get rid of the fetus thats inside them?

Since you keep repeating the same questions i will answer it first XD Why do they have more moral consideration? Uhhhh cuz as far as i know the woman actually had a life? What i think after a certain age women can produce eggs idk what is it 12? Idk really but realistically ok in a perfect world lets say she gets pregnant at 18. Thats 18 years she has gotten to experience, why should she be allowed that opportunity and not the "FeTuS" why does she get to kill that innocent fetus you claim isnt able to feel (which is a bullshit excuse, can you feel a bullet go through your brain? Or you dying on impact after dropping several stories? Why isnt killing someone that way morally acceptable but abortion is?) The petri dishthing im not even gonna attempt to attack that cuz i dont understand how that works, nor is it even relevant That sound like a personal problem i, i only find cases of rape acceptable when it comes to abortion all other stuff you should put on the big girl panties and get ur shit together. Who tf cares if life is hard and you cant take care of a baby DONT FUCKING HAVE ONE THEN. Dont let some dude cum in your pussy no matter how much he says he loves you. Recreational or not if you want an endless creampie THERE ARE PROCEDURES SET IN PLACE VASECTOMY AS WELL AS TUBE TYING. One may risk your life but thats all on you no one else has to lose their life cuz yeah a fucking fetus is alive otherwise it wouldnt be a parasite like you said but merely a growth. That pips out in 9 months since technically it doesn't feed off you to survive if it isnt alive