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alepho literally said he could beat me in a debate but chooses not to thats annoying as i seriously want to debate, but hes too much of a wussy >w>

I'm not even going to get into that last comment about you being undefeated lol, because I've seen plenty of times where you just plain don't read people's points and just skim through their post, not taking in the points that they were trying to make. It's not a good look, I think you are great at having strong opinions about veganism, but not that strong of a debater. You'd make an excellent cult leader or dictator though, whataboutisms are basically their bread and butter and you've done very well at employing them pretty often. :u

bullshit point out where my debate with burning right now, what have i glossed over? or with that wolf guy? any serious debate im in i counter all the points if i dont then give me evidence otherwise, because i take this very seriously well, im a passionate person >w>/ but im not leader material and sorry you dont understand that hypotheticals are key to any debate, but hey you do you booboo >w>/

It's not a proper analogy as I don't view human and animal life on the same level. I don't believe that it would be right to round up and kill innocent humans regardless of how nicely you treat them prior to death. But that applies to human whose lives I value more. I also would not want to see sell dogs and cats off to animal sadists but that is because I do not enjoy the sadistic torture of animals. I've answered your analogy twice now. I say it's not a 1:1 because you keep treating it like it is. Like there is some "gotcha" in my saying I think it's wrong to kill humans or that I don't find enjoyment in seeing animals suffer. It is the same thing to you. It isn't to me. And it's cool if you want to argue analogies. Here was mine: The shark thing was there to point out that all animals will hunt and kill. Even cows and deer will consume other animals absent any concern for their suffering. Morality is on the individual. So if you find my opinion morally objectionable so be it. Some people think of sharks as monsters after seeing Jaws and knowing how this wild beast would kill them without hesitation. You might think it ridiculous to pass moral judgement on a shark regardless of who or how it kills. Humans are supposed to be better. Why? Because we have technology? Animals grew strong fangs or big mouths to more efficiently hunt. Maybe our brains and technology is just our fangs. Or are you saying humans should be morally superior to these lesser dumb animals who don't know better than to hunt like beasts? We're too advantaged so it would be unfair for us to use those advantages. My cousin's cat got swooped up by a hawk. Should I be morally outraged because the cat couldn't realistically match the speed, power and flight the hawk has? You argue that human life is equivalent to animal life yet it is morally wrong for us to want to kill and consume animals. But a person should be blamed if they get too close to an animal and get hurt. This meat eater isn't. Because I eat other foods in addition to meat. I am an omnivore. I get nutrients from plant as well as animal products. Also I would educate you on the misinformation about cholesterol and heart disease but that is a different topic entirely. I supplement my diet with other foods. Not strictly meat. Lastly yes I do care about the harm and suffering of people and animals. Just not as much as you. There are certain animals I love and would beat you with a bat if you hurt and others I would turn and walk from. Same with people. there are certain people I'd die for and others who are having the worst day of their life and it doesn't bother me. "You are not an animal lover if you can proudly contribute to their exploitation" So then Lamby, tell me all the various vegetable products and other such things you consume and let me check if they use pesticides or traps to kill animals that get too close to the piles of food around them. Ms. Animal lover :P

Lamby, you did gloss over a lot of my points. You would ask me the same questions that I addressed in previous posts or pin feelings on me that were not there. You also throw out that plants are alive just because they are not made in the way animals are. I only bring that up cause your debating style is " I made a rebuttal therefore whatever my opponent said is defeated." I've reluctantly debated about veganism with you several times especially on discord. I know you are a strong willed and opionated person but can't you give the veganism debating a rest? If this thread is mostly you starting vegan debates it's just gonna tire everyone out. I'm not trying to further the debate here but I am curious, are you a commuted vegan? If not, why defend it so strongly? Edit: I'd like to add that I've never ran away from you in these debates. The last one you didn't reply for nearly an hour but I know you got other things to do. I was going to just concede anyway. Debating isn't really my thing I just play around with it. I respect your points. You care about animals that's a good thing but in all our debates the conclusion is the same. That seems to be the case with most vegan debates. That conclusion being your views are unchanged and your opponents views are also unchanged. So I only suggest it might be good to take a break from vegan debating and find another subject you are passionate about to debate in this thread.

Right on page 7 for starters Lamby Jan 22, 19 at 7:40pm "i skimmed and i can see your getting my views skewed xD" Another example from page 18: Lamby Feb 01, 19 at 1:29pm "@sail, your statement is too long to read and respond to (as im taking a break from debating while i instead focus on my writing) but i skimmed again, i can not fully argue against the superiority of that diet, just that it has some amazing affects and that you can live very healthily off of it, so diet is not an argument against veganism" And I have seen other examples earlier in the thread where you only seem to reply to one point a person has made and run with it, almost as a "gotcha" type maneuver. Like I mean I'm not just pulling stuff out of my ass since I do take the time to read other people's posts and stuff, you may have not done it in this debate you were having just now but you've already lost credibility in my eyes due to the times I have seen you do it Also, hypotheticals are something that is used in debates true. But I have seen you essentially use whataboutisms which are fundamentally different. Whataboutisms or whataboutery are essentially logical fallacies where you attempt to discredit your opponent's position without directly refuting or disproving their argument. A prime example of this practice would be taking someone's argument and then attacking their position with moral or ethical appeals instead of attempting to deconstruct their point. It's just plain dishonest Well anyway I have to go to work. I don't mean to use this in a way of attacking you but to make you self-aware as to why people might get frustrated