2020 US Presidential Election

"The tensions between the cultural left and the economic left were evident in the last Democratic primary, and they have persisted. In a November talk after the election, Bernie Sanders railed against identity politics with an abandon that would have been foolish on the campaign trail. “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman, vote for me,’ ” he complained. In a way, this squabbling is a prelude to the next presidential primary, a contest that will be packed with candidates, each attempting to show him- or herself as the truest champion of minorities or women or the working and middle classes. Seeking victory, candidates will accuse their competitors of not authentically believing in the cause they themselves elevate most highly." Mad respect to Franklin Foer who wrote this.

Many in both the left and right engage in similar thought process. Blue lives matter: Many on the left react: you are a boot licker. Black lives matter: Many on the right react: you are a communist. Both reactions are unnuanced broad generalizations. Not everyone that supports blue lives are bootlickers. Not all that support black lives are communist. These broad generalizations are a binary us vs them mentality. You are with us or you are against us. A reasonable objective person can support elements of blue lives and elements of the black lives matter movement. But suffice to say. Many on the left are stuck in their own blue pilled dogmatic ways. No more different than the people stuck in the red pilled dogmatic ways. Idiots on opposite sides of the coin.

well yeah but one party actually does demonsterable harm where as the other, while reactionary as well, is doing so because of the facts presented to them https://i.imgur.com/ZX6A8D7.jpg

If there was ever a party that reacted on pure facts. I would immediately join that party. No such party exist. Political parties know best to argue off of pathos and not logos. Both Republicans and Democrats argue off of emotions. Do not be quaint and state that Democrats react solely to facts. That is naively simplistic.

@alephy anyone who says "x lives matter" where x =/= black is in fact a racist and bootlicking piece of crap. nowhere in the BLM movement did they ever say those things aren't true. it's that "hey all this systemic/institutional shit is SPECIFICALLY going on that says black lives don't matter, so there is a need to say it, and in saying it, no one is saying that blue/all/whatever the fuck lives don't also completely matter, they're just not being freakin' culturally and politically disenfranchised, or at least not in the same capacity." so when one says all or blue lives matter, they are completely misunderstanding the movement behind BLM, trivially. and that ignorant mindset feeds our corporate overlords more cultural disdain that they need to thrive. it may as well be bootlicking

ofcourse everyone lies, but you cant compare someone that occasionally lies to a compulsive liar such reductionism is counter productive

just look at the extremists on both sides antifa - locked down for killing two people, as well as the destruction of public property white supremacists - the largest terrorist organization in America that tried to kidnap a democratic governer even the extremists arent compatible lol

Lamby, You were right, I admittedly don't post enough for you to really know me, but I have actually been a member here longer than you, and for the most part I've enjoyed seeing your post over the years. I wasn't just throwing out compliments. Your presence has always been a noticable one. And I meant it. It does take bravery to put your thoughts out their for critism they way that you do. I just don't agree with knowingly and willfully propagating a lie. I think you need to look up what "good faith" means. Good faith means, "with honesty and sincerity". Simply disregarding the FACTS of what someone says as irrelevant isn't "good faith", and yes it is rude. What I was telling you wasn't irrelevant in the slightest bit. You said Trump was holding the relief bill hostage, quoting a single tweet. I presented you the reason for the tweet, and that he retracted his comment afterwards. But in truth you already knew he retracted his comment, and still posted again he was holding relief hostage, and again quoting a tweet that you knew he retracted, as if he hadn't. Yes, the tweet you posted was real. But what you claimed it meant was a blatant lie. You took a single comment completely out of context, and fabricated a false blackmail narrative behind it. When the context was provided to you, you ignored it, and continued to promote something you knew was a lie. And when what I said countered the lie, you called it irrelevant. You really shouldn't get your debating techniques from CNN. It doesn't flatter the intelligence I believe you have. Since you always require a source... https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-bigger-stimulus-package-republicans-democrats-congress-amount-more-checks-2020-10 The only reason he made the previous tweet, was because he felt Pelosi was intentionally sabotaging attempts to pass a legitimate relief bill by adding in stuff that would change voting laws right before the election. And that why he later tweeted he'd pass a pork free bill. Meaning a bill that was just about providing relief... Not voting laws. The reason the bill was shot down had every relevance. Pelosi knew he'd never sign off on her relief bill. It was nothing more than a political stunt so they could accuse him of very comment you made. They were playing politics with people's lively hoods. Now either you're not smart enough to see it for what it is, which I truly do not believe is the case. Or you just want to be triggered out of hatred for Trump. Lamby, knowingly spreading lies is the very thing that's causing the outrage and hatred between the two parties right now. It's one thing to have different political views and having different visions what direction the country take in the future. But when people see blatant lies being spread about their party, they become angry and bitter which inflames tensions further. Which it seems like is now growing to the point of violence. Take an HONEST long hard look at what's going on in the media right now. The way the media has been weaponized as a political tool by democrats to blatantly trash their opponent and his party... it's despicable. It should never happen to ANY American, republican, democrat, or otherwise. What the media is doing isn't an opinion to be debated. That's a fact. People shouldn't be treated with disrespect regardless of because of party affiliations. How much slander do you think people are willing to take before they lash out in turn? It's getting to the point were people are starting to worry that civil war will break out regardless of who is elected. EVERYONE needs to stop the blind hatred before it's too late. Discuss the policies. Don't promote slander. ---- For the record, I stopped responding to you because I was urgently called away by work, and I apologized because I felt bad for how I left it.

@a_wesley_g bruh c'mon condense that shit, this aint the debate thread xD lemme condense my point nancy pelocy - 'we want a bigger budget to give more money to the people during a pandemic' trump - '*cuts off all negotiations of a relief package during a pandemic* he told them to stop negotiating until after he is elected idk if you believe in intuitiveness and nuance, but he doesn't have to outright say "I AM HOLDING IT HOSTAGE' for the implication to be there

@a_wesley_g fyi fox news is the biggest media organization and they lick his ass clean doubting the media is a tool of facism to undermine the voice of the people. i do not watch cable news networks but instead get it from online sources and articles. i google and fact check things before i post them because i would rather be correct than right. hence why i constantly post articles here because i find them prior to making my response or opinion on something its just a ridiculous red hering to say media is slanted to a worrying degree, and its sparked recently with this 'fake news' slogan that's poisoned so many peoples minds the fearmongering is cringy and absolutely unwarranted as a real threat to america you know what a real threat to America is? people that say you cant trust the media