Why women should take risks and responsibility

I swear when I first saw the edited picture I thought “Now why would he do that to his picture? Wait was his name always that..? Oh. Well shit.” Anyway speaking of that guy, I saw his post. Thought it was cancer but at the same time, it wasn’t really doing anything wrong. I mean I personally didn’t like the content, but I can actually respect professional perverts lol, so yeah left him be. In other words to compare that post and this one currently; doesn’t make much sense, cause he was pretty respectful…And to the point. Aha.. Not harsh at all, wasn’t insulting anyone. Ect. This one, I knew was stage four the day I saw it. It was never going to end well. I cant even say it was civil from the first post. Whole thing is a red flag, Title included. “Why women should take risks?” Oh boy, what an enticing title for me. A women. Its not like I would know why I should take risks and stuff? Why would I? Of course I need a man to tell me because I live in the kitchen.” No. All of that “evidence” wasn’t necessary. Could of just had that cringey title and asked the question and maybe put some background history on why this is a problem to you and you alone. @Idiot Muffin Back at it again with the accusations of aggression and what not. The guys just giving his opinion, but you also already labeled it as an anti-women thread. No one's shouting, or insulting even. To me. I dont count empty insults. I am sure all of his insults to everyone are empty. (I'll bet after this everyone will get along like they were again; small world and all.) It was never that serious though so you can calm down, its not good for your health. Also. Space Cadet as a huge point. I’d say that was check mate. @Space Cadet You have a point. Also yep that’s classic cop out. @Taiyou Yes. To all of that. (pertaining to that paragraph you wrote.) @Loli Excuse me I thought you were ignoring me. But I am flattered, so I will read it later. I tried. Edit

Felix, it happens when a hypocrite criticizes you for the exact same thing he did, except what he did was much more blatant, and was towards someone that made zero attacks at other people. And when you present a rational argument that his view is unfair and incorrect, he just plays it off like he's too cool for school because he has no valid rebuttal or explanation. Or maybe he did make a valid point... lemme check... nope, all he did was say what he did was a joke so that made it ok, which was what I did too. Meanwhile, the same hypocrite, along with others, accuse some of us for shouting and attacking gagger unjustly... yet they seem to ignore the very simple fact that it was gagger who STARTED attacking others first... or is calling the "vast majority" of women as little more than insecure machines, and calling others for stating their conflicting opinions justification for calling them "retards" and an "insecure ass?" So why is it ok for gagger to call other people retarded and attack others for their opinions, but a couple of us get criticized for making a joke? Ahhh that's right, that's the reasoning of a hypocrite. Pardon me for a moment while I chisel his profound perspective towards human interactions on a slab of granite... Anyone is free to correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. And if the "anyone" is muffin or key, then please explain why you didn't criticize gagger for calling other users a retard and an insecure ass when NO ONE slandered him prior to that.

*refuses to try and change detective cadet accurate case solving* cadet, now it's time we should probably let it die. Golden, you, and a few others proved well your cases, but I think we are arguing with friends of lolli. FROM how they seem to react. Especially after your last post they couldn't actually defend lolli accurately on his posts. That just leads me to believe they are his friends. Perhaps I am wrong and they merely agree with lolli opinion and feel the need to stick with him, but golden and cadet flat out showed why this became an argument and the posts that led to it. Now, is there anymore popcorn for this check mate fight? I'm interested in seeing more weak sided arguments. *puts glasses on and lays back*

Lolli you have a point it is true, That men and women are different, Not just physically but mentally(it's why transexuals are even a thing.). It is true, Men tend to take more chances, Whether be about asking for wages, How men take far more risky jobs(And in turn are around 90% of work deaths.), and indeed, Make a move on the opposite sex. But you answered your own question to begin with. Men and Women are different. Just because they are less likely to do something doesn't mean it 'should' change. It's not hard to go up to a woman you find attractive and ask her out. At least, it shouldn't be for you. If it is, you just need more practice, and just like anything, it will become more natural. You are a man, It means unfortunately for you, we are the ones that usually initiate things along that nature. It's not like women are being weak or cruel by not asking a man out first. They just don't want to. So don't force them. Men are naturally more inclined to take risks through thousands upon thousands of years of evolution. You aren't going to change that in a year, nor a decade. It will take just as long to change, and the fact is... it doesn't really NEED to change. That said, Golden, you're wrong also, Women don't 'not' hit on men because of cultural reasons. Guys LOVE it when girls hit on them, it is the biggest ego boost known to man. Having casual sex and flirting, are two very different things. Many men don't want to be with women who sleep around(While many also do.), that in the end is just a preference and goes back to our more primal nature millennia ago. Women also don't have any major hurdles that men don't face in the western world. And NO self respecting man wants to be with a modern feminist. Confident women do not = Feminist(Infact I'd argue the opposite.) Point is, You're both wrong. And the topic in itself isn't important, because if you like a girl, just grow a pair and go ask her out. Men and Women will never be equal in the sense of DOING and ACTING the exact same, they are too different for that. Men have their jobs in the 'mating' rituals of humanity just like women, one of them just so happens to be on average, making the first move. The women still whining about a lack of equality in the western world, obviously don't ever look up statistics, because if anything, they have an advantage in most cases anymore, like in court, jobs and socially. And the people who think men and women don't act the same because of society, have obviously never opened an ancient history book, nor about biology.

Ah well. You know what they say… “Read and weep.” No emotional connections here. I don’t know you like that…I think you did friend request me when I first joined. But…Swept you at some point. The only reason I replied to your thread, is because…I had the time first and foremost. And, it seemed wrong to me, and I thought I could correct the wrongs I saw. Not because you hurt my feelings; like I said, I don’t know you like that. (I believe for someone to hurt your feelings, what they are saying has to be true.) So…Yeah. Believe it or not, no personal feelings and stuff here. Nice to know I am not being attacked. About people agreeing with me. Yeah, it doesn’t always mean anything. Buuuut I think in this case it does. IF ANYTHING. Having a lot of people disagree with you, might not mean you are wrong, but I think it at least calls for some reconsideration, on your part. I noticed you said “At least” that’s why I said “Almost” I mean…Yes the way you said it sure sounded like you wanted to say “Women don’t do it at all.” And I am sure in your personal experience alone, women don’t do it at all. But you can never say never or all, or every…So that’s why we are gonna go with at least and almost. As for women being criticized for coming on to men and stuff. Its actually…Not a given, as you can see… We have some people here who don’t even believe in this unfortunate common happening. (Also…Considering you feel the need to spell out everything else….Find it strange that you decided to skip this one. Well not really THAT strange, cause…Why would you wanna mention that. Its not like its important or anything…) You are right…People shouldn’t care so much about critisim and what not, especially while trying to change. But the unfortunate fact of the matter is that….Almost everyone does care to some extent. And it is up to that person to see what they want. Which leads me into part of my argument which was that….Hey. Maybe women don’t even want this? Maybe no one else see’s this as an issue at all…Maybe it’s just inconvenience for you. Maybe. Cant rule that out. Maybe the problem isn’t as big as you think because, maybe women already take risk and what not; they are working on it. I didn’t even mention anything about male feminists…That’s a whole other thing. I only brought up the feminist thing because you were criticizing women for claiming to be feminists and cherry picking benefits and set backs. Those who cherry pick are obviously not the femenists and thus the movement shouldn’t be scorned cause not everyone wants to partake. I for one ….Dont care very much about it. Don’t care for any science references when it comes to the psychological aspect of things. Like you said we don’t have to follow that anyway so it sounds pretty irrelevant. (When its comes to Nature vs Nurture you’ll find me on team Nurture.) By aggressive I mean, women that take risks…And women that take a lot of risks and women that go after what they want…Aggressively. So yeah…Confidant and outgoing. Though you never said impulsive that’s, kinda an adverse side effect that could become of anyone willing to take “more risk” when you are open to more great things you are usually also open to many bad things as well. Honestly the way things are these days. Women are already doing that. Like I said. Things like this…They just gotta take time. You gotta take time to see if you know someone, you might wanna take time and see if the feelings are mutual especially if you don’t wanna get your feelings hurt cause that sucks. Again. Yes women have that negative connotation but women still do take risks anyways. I mentioned that negative connotation to speak for those that do not. Cause nothings ever 100%. And again, maybe its not even an issue. Their choice their preference. Most relationships don’t work out these days anyway, so theres little reason to open yourself even more and fill your plate. I mean…. MOST of my argument is that you are speaking of a nonexistent problem. Lets just…Keep that in mind. Uhm…Whats next here… (Oh I am not using common sense…Thought we were playing nice… Then again everyone said its typical to casually insult people he’s talking to so…Gonna accept that. Thank you.) Alright…People of low quality… Yes obviously don’t want to mess with those lesser people. However it takes time to sift through people, complete judgments, see if you can trust them and figure them out. Takes time. But taking more risks, asking out whomever you want...Opens you up to more people, of great and poor quality. Hence why its called taking a risk. I didn’t take that odd line seriously. That’s just where I decided to stop reading. Who and what authority? I thought it wasn’t that serious? What kind of authority does anyone need to see something have an opinion about it? Its popular opinion that this thread is toxic and misogynistic and that is why no female has come to…Take on your quest…Sir Lolligager… That’s just the state of things right now. Might wanna try again in a new thread if you REALLY are dying to know. Look good to whom? Nobody cares. I didn’t say you were a nut, you clearly have your reasons for doing all of this. I simply believed that, if you were doing really well socially you wouldn’t be talking about this the way are you right now. (Emphasis on “The way”)

Alrighty I will say this one last time. Although I don’t think I have to. Haste and low quality are projected side effects of taking more risk and opening ones self up more to others. That was my common sense anyways. I mean you don’t really know how a relationship will turn out till you get into it…But you can make some pretty good guesses. If you want to spend less time guessing and doubting and being shy and more time presenting and being open and taking risks… You will subject yourself to more relationships and mates…And they still may not work out… People don’t like that. Women take risks already. See really….All I should of ever said was that. At the end of the day. People are ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS…..ALWAYS going to do, the thing. They. REALLY WANT. To do. That is a fact. If they wanna get up and go, they will. If they don’t. They don’t. What you are saying is this thread, your intentions even…They aren’t even a step. Especially with that presentation. I cant even give you that. I honestly…Don’t know how you got from…. You being incorrect to…No dating problems can be fixed. Couldn’t follow that. I am sure I am not the only one. I think you just wanted to say that, so you could…I dunno so whatever it was you wanted to say. You could of just said it. I keep saying that… You’ve had poor luck with women just because that’s really the only reason I could imagine you too the time to make this thread and present it. The. WAY. You did. Cant imagine you are trying to help anything. Abusive ad hominem… Hmm…Incorrect. I was addressing something you said. Didn’t put words in your mouth. I clearly said it, I am sure everyone knows I said it. And I said it cause it was my opinion on your reasoning for including that part of your post in your post. It’s a cop out. Remember when I said, theres no such thing as never, all, and every? I pretty much just called you out for that. Abusive though, I am flattered. See…The thing is. Yes you are a man. Who’s speaking based off of…Very personal experience. Has conducted no research for his claims and grand plan to better half the human race. Yet is speaking very loudly. Yes you are man, that is not an ad hominem it is a fact. I am not belittling you for being a man. I just thought hey maybe if you are man you shouldn’t be speaking so strongly about whats best for women; especially if you are incapable of feeling empathy or understanding others in general. Cause you might feel at a disadvantage if a women comes along and starts to devalue your stance. Whether the women is right or wrong.

Leo the Wolf… I could definitely admit I am wrong on some points. But this is not one of them. Did I say it was strictly men doing the shaming? But lets address that anyway. There are plenty of men out there who will drive someones spirit in to the ground for having the audacity to ask them out. Cause guess what? Putting people down? Thats a universal ego booster in todays world. Most of why women do not take risks IS because of cultural reasons, my parents always told me not to go chasing after boys. My friends alllways tell me WHY they don’t want to double text or just go ask that guy out, they don’t want to look like fool or a whore, “its not lady like”,” they just wanna get into your tu-tu” you need to go change societies views on gender roles if you want this thing to change. Its nice that you decided not to pick a side and call us both wrong. And then follow that with “Hey guys this I stupid, lets stop arguing.” But you actually gotta think before you pull that. You should of just stayed with men and women having their jobs in the 'mating' rituals of humanity. Cause everything aside from that was pretty much irrelevant or wrong. Why are we talking about women having it better? Make another thread for that. TL;DR go away. EDIT