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jtibbs
https://kotaku.com/the-stereotype-that-women-on-twitch-are-asking-for-it-1822454131 What is it that causes people to act like this? I get it, its the internet and being behind the screen gives a sense that no one can punish you for the things you do, but seriously what mentality causes someone to hunt people down online, rate their physical looks, verbally harass them, and then openly declare that because they look good on screen they were asking for it? I don't understand how people don't stop and think about the things they say before they say them? Why are people so close minded about other peoples feelings? These guys started with rating women on their looks to begin with, then chose a specific user and harassed her. This doesn't make male gamers look good at all, if anything it enforces the "boys club" reputation people still keep trying to attribute to games. Its things like this that make me ashamed to be a gamer.
shinu
Jan 26, 18 at 10:01pm
Actions speak louder than words. Those men said they felt justified, but that's not exactly excusing what they did. At the same time those women said they had pure intentions, but I think anyone with half a brain can see that's not the case. In this gigantic world everyone is constantly being sent mixed signals from everyone else. Whether it's the mild attraction that causes unintentional flirting, or the brazen flaunting that isn't meant for anything more than bragging and showing off, how is anyone supposed to know what someone is trying to get across at a given time? Until we all learn to read minds, literally, we have to take the most obvious and direct conclusions. There simply isn't a better way. We all have to analyze our own behaviors and determine what it is our own body language is communicating. If you dress or behave like you don't care about societal norms, well guess what, people are going to treat you as if you don't care about societal norms. Harassment will always be wrong, but depending on the context what you're doing could be harassing someone else. It's hard to argue that you're harassing a random stranger by streaming, at the same time, it's hard to argue that you're harassing a random stranger by rating their looks to your friends. It doesn't excuse them going to her channel to communicate that. At the same time, when you go on Twitch with nothing on but your underwear, you're bound to attract attention, it should be expected, and considering it's not the platform for that, it's entirely natural for much of that attention to be negative.
jtibbs
Yea, but she wasn't just in her underwear. She was dressed that was slightly revealing, but that doesn't mean she wanted people to gawk at her. She easily could of just dresses that way because she knew it made her look nice. That doesn't warrant that kind of behavior. Even if she was using her body to become more popular and get more donations, it doesn't warrant harrasment. At most you should report them or better yet just ignore their Channel.
ouma_adam
Jan 26, 18 at 10:45pm
I don't promote any sort of malice, shame, or harassment. But i believe it goes both ways. Some of the things i've seen female twitch streamers do is just absolutely profound and ridiculous. It still doesn't give any right of passage to harass an individual, but at the same time what do they expect when they are twerking in front of a camera for donations or wearing deep revealing tops/clothing? To be praised, respected, admired? Even if its a slightly revealing outfit, i still think there is an underlying intention especially now that many female "gamers" have caught on the band wagon and see where the $$$ and status is at. The darker more obvious side of the reason behind the harassment is obviously the haterade sipping keyboard warriors who feel a sense of empowerment from shaming these girls. They know for a fact that these are the same girls who would never even give them the time of day IRL, and thus feel inferior and express resentment and seek revenge. Basically a typical "nice guy" syndrome, get mad when you don't get your way. On the other hand, gaming is like a "safe place" for many people particularly many males. When you have female streamers and cosplayers who start sexualizing the community, you have a lot of negativity infiltrating the community following these girls which is disturbing your safe place, its a form of escapism and privacy for many without having to deal with negative social pressures, hence why many try to shut out girls from the community. Other guys just can't control themselves and act like animals, too many immature people in the community. Still, it shouldn't warrant this kind of behaviour, its absurd, but honestly it is a clear depiction of the male gaming community. Just a lot of immature people who can't act like decent human beings, just very toxic in general. Another thing, if only guys weren't so desperate either. So what if she's looking for attention? Just ignore her. These guys are also playing right into their hand, they are giving them the attention that they are seeking, then get bitter, its pathetic. My stance is that i think harassment is wrong, but i don't plan on white knighting or playing captain save-a-hoe either. If you're purposefully using your body for views, then they are no different from a cam girl. It shows me that they don't respect themselves, want to take the easy way out in life, and just sexualize their own body for $$$ and fame. I'll just pick the ignore option. And they most certainly have a choice in the type of clothing they choose to wear.
jtibbs
I agree, but she's not even that provocative looking. Sure shes got skin showing, but that doesn't inherently mean she's trying to take advantage of her body. And these guys were openly objectifying women, like thats just some sort of normal thing to do. I'm not trying to white night here, and I've never seen the girls stream, but from that picture alone, no one could honestly say she's trying to whore herself out. No one calls a guy a slut for wearing a tight shirt when they're jacked. The guy was playing WoW, took a break and he and his friends chose to rate women and then chose her to harass. Its not even like they were doing it to teach her a lesson, they did it to have fun, and thats where I'm going with this. These guys got bored, decided "Hey, you know what would be fun? Lets go rate the physical attributes of women streamers.", and then picked a girl who had some skin showing to harass. Yea theres guys that make this kind of thing their hobby because they're shallow guys with no lives, but these guys are a different breed. They're trolls, they weren't even sorry, and worst of all they justified it by saying "they deserve it". No ones deserves that.
yaasshat
Jan 27, 18 at 2:50am
I was going to write up something, but ya know what? This is asinine. People said mean or derogatory things? Oh no, not that!!! This kind of stuff irks me, it's so stupid. I mean, that was the gist of it, right? She wears something slightly revealing, people get in a huff because they have nothing better to talk about, she gets offended because she put herself in a position to be judged(You're trying to entertain others, therefore you'll also incur judgement by proxy.) and now is some kind of poster child? Bout sum it up? There's a saying that I think many choose neglect, sticks and stones may break my bones, but bad words never hurt me. I k ow it's about sexual harassment and yes, that's a horrible thing. But what was said was like reading a middle school kids thoughts. It's really petty, but she has over 100,000 followers and thus, a decent sized voice to be heard (more reason for her to cry offense and garner more attention/viewers for a "cause"). No real fault on her part, but this one should not be focused on, rather, the entire issue of sexual harassment on line/twitch should be the focus.
cero
Jan 27, 18 at 4:05am
This account has been suspended.
shinu
Jan 27, 18 at 7:58am
She wasn't in her underwear huh? https://clips-media-assets.twitch.tv/26417866640-offset-7304-preview.jpg
jtibbs
that picture wasn't in the article, and even if she does(which she clearly has to some extent), that doesnt justify their actions. i bet guys stream in their underwear or go shirtless regardless of weather or not they're attractive. its a double standard. @yass, i get what you're saying, who among us hasn't been harassed? But sticks and stones is not a good counter argument.
shinu
Jan 27, 18 at 8:57am
No, it wasn't.
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