Re: Zero
Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
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Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
holy shit a re:zero thread where have i been?
so you guys are talking about the whale? im sure subaru and rem will find a way to deal with it -3- im still a little mad that after that moment rem and subaru had he says he loves emilia more
Wesley-sensei @a_wesley_g
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Wesley-sensei @a_wesley_g
Yeah, he got totally rejected by Emilia. And Rem has been super supportive of him. I mean yeah she killed him a few times, but that was so last week.
Emilia just saved him his first day he was there and healed him a few times when he was on the verge of death.
What was he thinking!
Personally, I would have picked Rem. Just as long as I could revive. I've seen Rem angry. Could you imagine accidentally forgetting your anniversary if you married Rem. And heaven forbid you leave the toilet seat up on too many times.
Yeah I feel bad for Rem. I'm sure we've all been on the unrequited end of love. But Subaru (like anyone) can't just have a change of heart and let go of his feelings of love for Emilia just because it's convenient, or logical, or cause someone else is right there. Love isn't supposed to be that wish-washy
Besides had he picked Rem that would have changed the direction of the entire show.
Wesley-sensei @a_wesley_g
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Wesley-sensei @a_wesley_g
Being in love with Rem is different from caring about her and not wanting her to die when she goes back to the mansion. Of course he'd want to escape with her instead of without.
He just died brutally a half dozen times. And he's not allowed to talk about it. He had a nervous breakdown. Cut him some slack.
That said, my vote is still for Rem.
sleepless ^.^ @sleeplessjay
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sleepless ^.^ @sleeplessjay
I read a comment from the user Zendavesta from animeshow.tv. This is the most insightful thing I've read in regards to describing the context of the show. Props to who ever you are and I hope everyone is enlightened as I was reading it:
"I don’t think I’ve read a single comment that truly links the depth of the author’s intentions, feelings and writing. I’ll give you a quick example of what I’m getting at through another famous series and many of you may not have known this about J. R. R. Tolkien but he suffered from Post-traumatic stress syndrome(PTSD) from WWI and his way of coping was through his writing, Lord of the Rings. He put his real life experience and emotional distraught into his story through Frodo and Sam who experience trauma and PTSD and how they overcame it. This isn’t exactly the same case in Re:Zero but it’s a hint at what I’m getting at, now I’ll open your eyes to the real Re:Zero most people are failing to understanding.
I want to start off by reminding us that Subaru at the end of the day is still a human being that is dragged into a fantasy world but does anything really change for Subaru?… he’s alone, with no direction, no money and friends and like most of us, that would be a daunting feeling, that tempts us to escape that reality through a façade, by pretending were someone that were not. Emilia introduces herself to Subaru when he saves him from the ‘bullies’ the three guys who try to rob and beat up Subaru. The relation of the scenes that Subaru constantly runs into the 3 bullies is showing what life is like for a lot of kids, being in that vicious circle of being helpless and overpowered. What you want most in this situation is someone to help you escape that reality and that’s how Subaru’s new image is born. Emilia his savior becomes his chance at being someone else and it’s not out of good intention (beginning of him being slothful), it’s to not be abandoned and alone again, it’s for himself which truly hits home when Crusch tells him “you never said “I want to save Emilia”. Subaru is a NEET and that awareness makes his desire to be someone he’s not becomes his mask leading him to become fake and that becomes self-destructive and deep inside it eats away at you, and it creates illnesses and heart ache(this is why people hate Subaru, because no one likes this kind of person). At first Subaru believes it’s okay to continue this persona and it becomes his comfort, a shelter in his mind, unknowingly supressing his painful thoughts of who he really is.
When you're facing anxiety and mental breakdowns,you will always wish that an ‘opportunity’ will come and save us from being failures, embarrassments and being lonely in this cold world. Wishing we could always turn back time, “rewriting” those hours/days/years wasted away in painful thoughts, watching our life wasting away. Subaru’s first death next to Emilia, was the turning point, the start of a curse that he calls “Return by Death” which symbolizes depression. All that built up anxiety and avoidance became depression the moment he died and realized he lived a pointless life. Severe pain is the greatest cause for depression, emotionally or physically and Subaru goes through the most severe pain that even I can’t empathize with how he’s feeling and that’s very significant to what happens in ep 18 and the reason it is the best episode of the season because in the end were human and we need each other to heal, grow and live with a genuine smile.
Before I speak of why Rem is best girl, I want to explain Emilia’s importance, Emilia represents the people we want to trust and keep close to us but inevitably drive away because we have expectation of them to understand how were hurting, those who don’t understand mental illness or have a hard time understanding what people are going through. Subara just only ends up suffering further because no one understands what he’s going through at the most pivotal point when he's been humiliated and his image being tarnished, and Emilia makes him realize that he's only doing the things he's done so far for himself and not her. She says something like "The me in your head must be a wonderful person, she can understand everything even without you ever telling her." At this point Emilia distances herself from Subaru almost like saying, "i can't help you unless you learn to help yourself" and sends him to Crusch and Anestesia to heal his gate which is almost like rehab and it makes Subaru think he's viewed as pathetic and almost abandoned. Subaru breaks even further because what he needs is not professional help but someone he cares about to understand him and the hardest part of depression is being unable to speak about what’s hurting so much. You choke every time, your heart aches as if you’re drowning, it burns and it’s because we’re afraid! AFRAID TO BE ABANDONED AND ALONE and that’s what the hands represent, resembling the pain of what it truly feels like trying to admit what we’re going through with the fear of being abandoned when we need someone most. The candidates that tells Subaru he is selfish, a pig and greedy are what it feels like to be viewed when you’re desperate for help, to escape such a painful reality because no one wants to understand, showing how selfish the world can truly be and scary, just making that anxiety trap Subaru even further.
You can now understand why Rem is important, she enables the way for Subaru to turn his life around. There’s a saying that goes “The loneliest people are the kindest, the saddest people are the brightest, the most damage people are the wisest. All because they do not wish to see anyone else suffer the way they do”. That quote cuts deep here, because it’s true and we see that in Subaru when he saves Rem from the regrets of her past, and her built up hatred. Subaru tried to stop caring and honestly…the one who didn’t care about anything once cared too much. This is when Rem shines most because it only takes one person to change an entire person’s world. Love, faith, hope, courage and strength are all the things we wish for when were at our lowest, and Rem provided all that when Subaru gave up, you can even see it as resembling “suicide”. This is the turning point and the start from zero. "Starting from Zero" means he accept he's been committing the sin of sloth, to neglect genuine good intentions and choosing the easy path for comfort's sake which only then can he break that self-image he "tried so hard" to mold and begin to have self-actualization. Rem was the key to all this because here she represents faith and belief. She believes in Subaru and everyone needs that someone in life to believe in them and that’s what makes people love Rem so much and clearly best girl! Subaru's life is like a bike that’s been flat and Rem believing in Subaru is like pumping air into the tires, so that he can move forward like the wind. Rem loves Subaru, showed genuine and sincere care for him after everything, constantly sacrificed her life for him, meaning that even through the hardest days in our life, we can smile for someone and stay strong for those we love because that’s what matters in the end. The flashbacks are pretty much reminding us of those times. We don’t live for fame, power and wealth… we live for those who love us and care for us, and first we must earn that by being the best version of ourselves and Rem showed Subaru, what the best version of himself is and what to aim for.
So in essence, he broke down that image of someone he pretended to be, and is now actualizing the person he wants to be from zero :) and that’s the everyday struggle for those fighting depression, so don’t hesitate to be there for someone and say “it’ll be fine, you’re not alone” And if anime has taught us anything, is that humans are weak but as long as we have each other and work together, we can accomplish great feats."
Wesley-sensei @a_wesley_g
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Wesley-sensei @a_wesley_g
Wow. That's pretty deep. And some good points. But I can't agree with all that. If that's the authors true intentions, it's a stretch to get the viewers to see it and understand it.
Personally, going that deep makes it a little heavy and hard to simply enjoy the anime. For me, the author intentions are best after it over when you can reflect on it as a whole.
Otherwise it can take the fun out of making light hearted comments, based solely on our own reaction to it.
Everyone has a different perspective and interpreted what they see differently.
But that was certainly insightful and might make people a little more sympathetic to Subaru's struggle.
Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
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Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
yeah i mean changing and saying he loves rem would change things buuut like she is obviously the better choice tbh she did kill him yes but how many times has she risked her life for him? it cancels out. the mabeast incident, the beetlegeuse incident, where she ran off and left him behind for his own good, then the white whale
and speaking of the white whale i watched the opening and found a spoiler. i think one of the princess candidates the girl with the green hair will fight the white whale there is a scene of it here take a look
http://youtu.be/Ee0hMlM7ThQ
Wesley-sensei @a_wesley_g
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Wesley-sensei @a_wesley_g
Things are looking much more interesting since the last episode.
Sunbae @alanzd
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Sunbae @alanzd
I just finished watching the latest episode and oh my! Re:Zero has a knack for hyping up the next episode.
Firstly, Crusch in her armor is just so sexy. Let me just point that out first. Mimi and her brother are the cutest anime characters I have ever seen. I love how she speaks Japanese with that accent.
SPOILERS BELOW:
I still hold the plot hole about the White Whale and Legendary Swordsman in place. If the White Whale really killed her, how come her husband remembered her? It can't be love since Ram forgot about Rem. Was it really just a plot hole?
Also, not to freak anyone out, but uhh
http://i.imgur.com/v2GMWON.png
http://i.imgur.com/j0gqGRA.png
http://i.imgur.com/jLzsXLQ.png
I found this while scrolling through an Anime Facebook page. The only word I could make out is "coming." So, if anyone can tell me what the rest means, please do!
Notice how this is a time travel anime, right? Subaru wrote that note in an early episode and notice how far the carving is from the base of the tree. Could he have traveled back in time (pulling a Stein's Gate) and warned himself/set his past self up about something?
Yu @metaljester
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Yu @metaljester
Overall it seems a not intentional element was brought into the anime that made it much better when comparing yourself to the protagonist.
Surely you have to get over some of the more why didn't you do this since you have knowledge of time moments but it showcases a character that really many people could sympathize with metaphorically via some actions being subjected to how they perceive them and literally with his actions and personality.
Overall the characters and plot are nice the second to last episode was very well panned out besides the dramatic bird flying after the confession.
Rem "autocorrected to remember which is fitting actually "definitely is in my top female characters this year for her overall personality and growth through the anime.
Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
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Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
ok so remember this guy?
https://49.media.tumblr.com/892a6b685d7590aaa67a4bdb7d42d9ef/tumblr_o5vrotmkIe1qc8w4vo1_540.gif
alright well wilhelm that old dude tearing up the white whale his wife was master swordsman right? and this dude is good with a sword and he has the same red hair as her v
http://i.imgur.com/JfFpQCo.jpg
she is the master swordsman and that might be his mom or sister who knows
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