Political rants

Bro you're way too conspiracy brained, I don't think you have any clue what ESG means. I could give you a breakdown of it. But you literally just have to go on Wikipedia for that shit

@electryc Try being a former anarchist reading this stuff. When I was in the conspiracy scene, we fact checked our own sources, because of all the interference we were getting from the CIA smokescreens and foreign intelligence entities like Russia and China (Still around, mind you) running interference and trying to rile up the disenfranchised on both sides. Then Obama happens. The scene gets hijacked by the right, critical thinking and conspiracy analysis get thrown out the window, and QAnon takes it a step further by trying to centralize it all, then fox news (Never mind that they're owned by the Murdochs, who have a long history of kissing oligarch ass) comes around and starts talking about them on national television like that ain't a controlled narrative or anything. You can't even call that conspiracy minded. Too conformist, too out in the open, and most of it diverts or deflects away from the establishment RNC, thus the aim is obvious. To divide this nation. FOLKS! DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT ORGANIZED RESISTANCE LOOKS LIKE!? Wake up and smell the astroturf, people. That ain't real grass! Also, @dyadka_yar , if "Progressive leftist" scares you, then do what the DNC tried to do with us for the last thirty years, until people started getting an education. Pretend we don't exist. Because we are NOT the establishment, nor do we want to be lumped in with the rabid twitter clout goblins trying to cancel people willy nilly. (That's what Chinese interference looks like btw.) If you want an example of Russian interference, try QAnon. *Looks down at the antifa bat* Gah! Fuck! How'd that get back here!?

@electryc Don't waste your time, only one of them ever reads the breakdowns and always stays middle of the road anyway and the rest don't even bother. This whole thread is just a way to give high blood pressure to anyone with more than two brain cells.

@twobananasshyofapumpkinpie Dirt road dems have to live with our neighbors. Getting swept up in nationalist rhetoric designed to "do the thinking for you" and target specific groups is something we Appalachians have been dealing with ever since pedigree laws were put into place and the "Less white" got dumped into the hills to live with the Natives and the Scotch Irish, and whoever else was thrown our way. Our infrastructure is shit, our schools are a joke, and poverty keeps us from ever getting very far away. To be honest, it wasn't much different from when I was living in a predominantly black community south of Columbus. Minus the constant presence of cops that is. Those folks never catch a break. I could talk to my fellow Appalachians about this stuff. But not by giving up and calling them dumb, because if you know anything about the sociological stubbornness out here, that just makes em dig deeper into the bunker. But our general mistrust of authority? That's where you gotta reach them. Now that said, those corn people over in the flatlands and the suburbanites waving tiki torches? They don't know what it's like. They don't have much thats actually at stake, and for some reason, we always get them running in our local politicians trying to pretend they're one of us. Those are the ones who won't listen to you even if you speak to them as a libertarian. The small government republican is an endangered species at this point. I doubt they'd even recognize their party politics from 20 years ago.

@chocopyro I didn't call them dumb, I implied they didn't have critical thinking skills. Lot's of smart people fall for dumb shit. There is a difference between saying the people who comment here often are not worth trying to educate and saying no one who believes the absurdities they believe are worth trying to educate. For as long as I've been on this site I've seen you here too, at some point you just have to accept that they don't want to learn the facts, that nothing you say will reach them and focus your efforts on the people that still have a chance. Edit: Thinking about it again the phrase "having more than two brain cells" or similar sayings might have other meanings outside my area. In that case, it means lacking critical thinking skills in my area and not an insult to one's intellect.

@chocopyro Well I do have to be extremely critical and untrusting of the progressive leftist. Namely because they are now the lapdogs of the government establishment. Much how the conservatives were during the Bush era. Both serve the same masters, two sides of the same coin so to speak. I personally think both our political viewpoints have been hijacked by the establishment government and media system for their own gain. QAnon on the other hand is this extremely strange enigma of information. I have never known a single person that has ever read QAnon, nor have the vast majority of my circle has even heard of it. I have an entire family of conservatives and even they have not heard of it. The only time I have ever heard of QAnon is when a podcasters or newscasters said, "QAnon says this nonsensical thing is going to happen". So I think that QAnon having some degree of influence on society is ultimately untrue. What I do think about QAnon is that it's mere existence is to delegitimize any sort of counter argument to the current establishment as some sort of "QAnon" conspiracy. That way someone shows direct evidence that cannot be denied via normal critical thinking, it can be dismissed as some sort of QAnon conspiracy.

@dyadka_yar Well this is rare, you don't normally reply to me. What changed? Anyways, no, progressives are not lapdogs, we just want America to modernize, we want our healthcare and education to match the standard of other nations, and we want America to become competitive with the rest of the developed world again, because dumping the majority of our assets into the military is how the soviet union collapsed. Also, you won't get anywhere with me re-skinning old anarchist conspiracy theories, because the one master stuff ALSO came from the anarchs. Remember. Anti establishment and decentralized. Anarchs hate the DNC too, its just less of a blatant example of authoritarian faschism. Those that ARE authoritarian in the left don't have the nationalist ferver that created Stalin's Russia or modern China. They all dwell in the corporate wing of the DNC. Now stop calling them the deep state and say it with me. Illuminati. They're not nearly as powerful as they were 30 years ago. So you haven't even gotten curious where a lot of the weirder platforms of speech in your party come from? Good! Ignorance is bliss. Stay away from politics in 4chan and reddit in the mean time, and study up on the psychology of branding and how it manipulates those on the surface of the iceburg. Not to use it. But to recognize it so they can't be used on you. One thing you're going to learn very quickly is the left sucks at lying. But we're often better at noticing certain tricks when they are used. You know who is perhaps the best at branding? The nazis! There's a very simple formula to it. Something big and nebulously defined pertaining to morality, society, or relgion must be at stake. And its all the fault of political enemy A, or racial minority B, who are making an effort to cause degradation in it because reasons. Now let's examine the following. "Despite these massive losses, companies are still borrowing from the ESG investment funds. From a business standpoint, this is clearly a failed venture. So what is the end goal here? Are the investment firms trying to forcibly change the social fabric of Western society? That is what I hear they are trying to do," Not saying you're a nazi, but someone in your echo chamber is reading from their playbook.

Oh yeah, here's a quote from some nazi (Joseph Goebbels) with the word "bochevism" replaced with "Leftist" or some equivalent, and all german state references replaced with American references. Yes, interchangeability is a feature of this branding formula. “It [Cultural Marxism] is not only anti American, it is anti cultural. It means in the final consequence, the absolute destruction of all economic, social, state, cultural, and civilizing advancements made by Western Civilization for the benefit of the rootless and international clique of conspirators, who have found their representation in socialism."

@chocopyro Nothing has changed, usually your points are not something I exactly argue against. Generally I think we both are after the same thing with different methods of getting there. I agree with the ideas of better education and health care, but my manner of it is the total removal of government from these institutions. The only thing large government has done to these things, is make them worse. Separation of corporate powers and government is my ideal system. I am a Calvin Coolidge type Republican so less big government and a more active local government is the way I roll. i don't think there is a one master issue going on. I think there are many factions vying for power. I am of the personal opinion that the old system of establishment is crumbling and there are quite a few players in the game setting up for the power vacuum. ESG is merely a symptom of trying to set up a system to take a hold on both culture and corporation at the same time. This is also where the progressive leftists come in. There are too many bloodthirsty members looking to gain power that it cannot be ignored. These are people who are looking to tear down the current power structures and rebuild them. My ideals differ as it is based in hitting "system restore" and go back to a previouus state that was more workable. I think that the conservative talking points that go kind out out there are more based on grabbing the nearest proverbial weapon and chucking it at the opposition. Some passing Facebook post becomes a political hammer. For example, People are constantly talking about MKUltra when the real system they are referencing to is ideological subversion, which is far more insidious than MKUltra. However we do have to ask the golden question. In reality, how much influence does Reddit and 4Chan have in the grander scope of things in more right wing politics? The answer is not a lot. Reddit is outright hostile to conservative thought and 4Chan's political section is not large enough to have any sort of significant influence.