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mountain_tiger
I think the whole "canceling" thing that is occurring with older media is just a product of living in a society that promotes outrage. Even before "canceled" entered modern slang, people from previous generations have been pushing to purge media. Comic books, board games, movies, television, and video games have all faced "cancel culture" before we called it that. The whole debacle of censoring and calling for the cancelation of video games for being violent has gone on for decades at this point. Those things still survived, like Doom and Mortal Kombat. If you wish to combat this kind of culture, you should just ignore these outrage stirring people. The strength of "canceling" only exists if people give them such power. o7
hell_hound7
@moutnain_tiger thats the thing you must speak out AGAINST cancel culture. Here is why, big corporations bend the knee to anything being attacked by outrage culture. So when you have like a dozen people complaining and no one saying anything else about it, then it shows wow people really care about this and it could mean bad news for our company lets please them by bending the knee. Ignoring stuff hasnt solved anything, i mean *cough cough* slavery *cough cough* WW1&2 *cough cough* any major event where a group of people rose up because they had enough. I think thats whats gonna happen there are already people pushing to make cancel culture illegal because it strips people of their opinions and anything that does side with the mob. Even to the point the president of an entire country got muted.
momoichi
Mar 07, 21 at 6:34pm
how would you even make cancel culture illegal.... it seems like your just becoming the thing you hate but worse
hell_hound7
Well technically it is illegal, technically it isnt. Because big corporations arent the government and they are able to silence you but it also goes against freedom of speech. So its like a grey line. Cancel culture does basically that if you say anything remotely offensive they just ruin your life. Which is almost the same as not having freedom of speech. Its not as bad as china where you get arrested but its just as bad.
hell_hound7
So by making cancel culture illegal you basically save freedom of speech. I dont believe saying an offensive word 10 years ago is grounds for getting your life ruined in this age. Times change and people change. Maybe at the time it was acceptable but now it isnt.
momoichi
Mar 07, 21 at 6:40pm
people dont seem to understand what freedom of speech is your constitutional right is to question and criticize your government. that is it. that is your only protected speech. i will agree though that companies do tend to bend the knee to public pressure that will honestly just blow over in a week. like when nike and keurig got canceled. no one even remembers that lol, the internet has such a short attention span it never sticks look at the my pillow douche bag, tons of people hate him but hes doing fine, same goes for every other company. but if a company just wants to change itself to fit modern times, ala hasbro potato head and aunt jamima, then idk why anyone would cry about that, and if you are then your literally the same as people crying about canceling companies.
hell_hound7
Here is where you are wrong. People WERE criticizing the government on places such as FB, insta, twitter. Prior to Joe biden as president they were being shut down and removed off the platform. That IS criticizing our government and they were silenced. Because if you werent pro biden you werent right. So hence why i say its an actual problem. Its not me being an outrage mob because while the internet might move on from cancelling one thing it doesnt stop that they jump from thing to thing. Not everyone bounces back from being cancelled such as CEOs being fired or businesses going under and people being fired from their jobs such as gina carano.
momoichi
Mar 07, 21 at 6:55pm
oohhh you mean the lefties that were shut off facebook, i remember anyways, no, this rule doesn't apply to companies. legally you can tell your government to fuck off and your government cant do shit. c0ompanies arent the government, if they were government run then it would count, but there not. theyr separate entities, that's why they can ban you for literally any reason and they face 0 consequences idk if i agree with this or not, I'm 50/50 on either side. one side social media is undeniably monopolized by certain websites and i do think it is so ingrained in our lives that it is.... not unethical, but fucked up to alienate someone in this way but, to have the government manage these sites feels like over stepping, which i suppose is more of an emotional argument then a logical one. i dont even know how the government could break up these monopolies, but then again look at voice chat platforms, they change every few years, so maybe stuff like youtube would go out of date if the government stepped in maybe there is room for innovation with separate websites idk, sorry offtopic tangent
momoichi
Mar 07, 21 at 7:04pm
also, article on the fact that right wingers arent being censored on facebook https://www.niemanlab.org/2020/10/two-new-studies-show-again-that-facebook-doesnt-censor-conservatives/
mountain_tiger
@hell_hound7 To put it in more plain words, "just ignore the haters". "Canceling" only brings power when people are afraid of it. You don't have to produce legislation to stop it. You can simply ignore the outrage mob and do as you wish, like-minded people will support you regardless. "Canceling" only really enters a legal ground when it results in doxing, defamation, or litigation. It is otherwise part of the freedom of association. People do have a right to a choice not to associate with certain people they disagree with. You cannot make it illegal to "cancel" people, it is just a part of human behavior to ostracize people we do not like. What you can do however, is produce your own cliques or content to associate with instead. If you want to be truly free, you must try to foster some independence from others so that something like "being canceled" does not form a great threat against you. Your enemy dominates you because you give them the power to do so. You are giving your enemies power by relying on them and living on their terms. In regards to monopolies, I suppose it would be up to the government to "bust a trust" if you want things done quickly. Advocating for politicians who will act against these companies would probably be a step towards reducing their malicious influence. Considering that the tech monopolies tend to cooperate with the government and law enforcement, I'm doubtful the government will find it desirable to do anything that could truly harm these companies. Let us not forget that "lobbying" is a valid practice in the USA also. It is really up to the people to produce their own counters to the system. o7
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