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It may seem grim, but only if you want it to be. There is always beauty to be found in the world. It's not necessary to live thinking of times beyond us. Just seek to live a fulfilling life for yourself. Live with no regrets. o7

are people emotional over their political leader winning because of tribalism, or because they feel relief and optimism that the values they stand by will be enforced? as someone who is extremely political i can tell you first hand its the latter. I'm not sure if your implying i don't understand my own feelings? while yes they engage in the same behaviors, i would argue one party is particularly aggregious in this negative behaviors. it bothers me when lefties try and equate the two establishment politicians in the party, because they are extremely unequal in this examples being gerrymandering and ballot collection. both parties participate in this but republicans abuse it far more/worse than democrats. the democratic party is the irritation from an eyelash in your eye. the republican party is full blown cancer on the body. your alluding to horseshoe theory, which is easily debunked you say people fighting for issues isn't an indication of their genuine but where is your evidence for this? seems like conspiracy/doomer speculation at best. kollin capernick kneeled not because his globalist masters told him to, but because of his issues with police brutality. accepting that all humans are different is not hypocritical when discussing how terrible inequality is. while yes, inequality in some sense is inevitable no matter the circumstances, it sounds like your flirting with a fallacy of futility. that because we are all different and there for unequal there's no point in fighting for equality in any sense. which is extremely untrue. your mutely advocating for segregation at that point

I think you misunderstand my use of the "horseshoe". It's not about "politics", it's about the ideas that humans are both complex enough to stand alone but also find lots of common ground. I do not care for "horseshoe theories" in politics because esoteric political theories are a waste of time. If you want to project my thoughts on your own political side or beliefs, you are free to do so. I know nothing about you, so it is you who can make that call. Would you say people in the American Civil War fought solely because of economic independence, to preserve the union, or over slavery? That's foolish. While they technically did fight for those causes as soldiers of their nation, most of the people who died in that war did so out of a loyalty to their own state. Only when people truly have to fight will belief be proven, which is why I say "belief" and "ideology" fall apart when real conflict comes. When your life is truly on the line, you will know what you're really fighting for when you think what is worth giving your life for. It is no longer theory for the people who must fight. The "fight for equality" is only going to lead to a perpetual war, not that anything is special about perpetual war. However, don't take this as a condemnation of fighting. Left or right, liberal or conservative, nosy or free, it is always better to take action than do nothing. As for "equality", it should stop at mutual respectfulness of individual self determination and nothing further. o7

@flare3 Who knows what the future holds. I'm just one of many men in the world, I am not omnipotent. Perhaps quantum computing and AI will change things. Don't take my word as gospel, but as the humble thoughts of a random stranger. o7

i mean i assumed we were talking politics, and that you were equating both parties and naming the conflict between them needless, or at least senseless as for the civil war, it was over states rights to own slaves, among other things. yes there were tribalist elements, the north and the south polarizing view of each other, but that would never have sparked war on its own. it was the government that pushed it to that extent. i would agree that it is likely the warfare back then was heavily out of loyalty more so ideology, i would need you to prove that that extends to these times. people are far more politically savvy thanks to technology and our accessibility to the news. most people back then hardly read the news paper i would bargain, so the hate the common person had back then was most likely just contagiously spread through the attitudes of those around them. i speak very strongly of this because you are calling out my own beliefs as well of other political people. you are telling me my feelings are irrational, though you admittedly don't even know me. isn't that irrational in and of itself? the fact that i disagree with my own party many times, and have heavy criticisms for biden himself should be enough to show that these feelings are purely ideology based. this isn't some silly 'hufflepuff pride'. politics actually affects our daily life. it can make or break some peoples quality of life. when there are issues as intense and important as abortion to discuss, do you truly believe that people are only passionate about the color blue and red? you also seem to assume survival has nothing to do with politics either. well i would ask you to tell that to someone who needs disability to survive, but the funding is continuously cut. or a minority having to face the existential threat of police violence. and the fight for equality IS about getting basic respect. do you believe that transpeople arent being assaulted, belittled, and misgendered on a daily basis?

I don't really get why you are so persistent in projecting my thoughts onto your own beliefs when the only specification I gave was the issue of "equality" in the generic sense. I mean no insult to your character or convictions. Perhaps you dislike that I think academics around esoteric political ideas are a waste of time. To that I would say, honestly what good comes from people constantly standing around to argue about trivial details and impracticality when there are better things to do or focus on? Is it not enough to just know what you want and what you will do about it? Not once have I even used the word "irrational" talking to or about you, you can ctrl + F it to fact check that statement if you so desire. You don't have to justify your beliefs to me through speech. Worry more about what you are willing to give your life for. Whatever the answer, I have respect for you if you have anything to give your life for, but the answer should be more for you than for me. I speak in terms of warfare but does it not also apply to any instance in which your life or your honor is threatened? People can only talk until the heat is around the corner. If your beliefs are truly valid they will survive under the threat of isolation, torture, and death. For many people though, their initial "beliefs" will crumble and give way to what they truly cared about in the end.That is all I have to say about any issues you want to bring before me. o7

isnt that how one understands anothers ideas? they compare them to their own? don't worry, i don't mean to come off as insulted, i am just trying to convey how your idea of others isn't congruent with how these people actually feel. this is just me putting your theory under a microscope, i hope i didn't come off as agitated. details are important, especially during a debate. you should mean every word you say and expect people to scrutinize every point you make. i enjoy this aspect of debating, and find it very important. debating is a battle of ideas, and I'm looking for any chink in the armor i can find. i used the word irrational, because that is what your saying. to say that people are wasting time on frivolous and pointless tasks is the definition of irrational, is it not? at least its not far off. i take no offense to this, again its just a debate and your perspective is your own, its just my goal to expand on your own perspective to better understand it. if i take any leaps in assumption this is why, and correct it as you need. I'm not willing to give my life for politics. id never attend a rally i had good reason to assume would turn violent. I'm a pacifist purely out of self preservation. i would only ever give my life for my mother or significant other. nothing else. but to those who give their lives over what they deem is worthy for them is worthy, and you can have your open opinion on that, its merely a matter of perspective. i believe that you speak in not warfare, but broad, undefined terms, which i take exception to. it comes off as if you have no real position and, excuse the sjw cringe, but extremely privileged. as though you have no need to worry about politics so you choose not to and look down on those who do. but that is my assumption, i have no way of looking into your soul and knowing the truth.