11yo shots grandmother in Arizona

ok gonna stop ya there once again >W> abusive relationships where a gun is involved end up in deaths, so no id rather she just got help from a shelter instead.... the majority of citizens do not need their guns, they just enjoy the principle of having one and like how strong they feel with it iv heard the "if the jews just had guns" argument before and its just stupid keep your damn guns, i just think you need to have better registrations and have the governments eye harder on you because, you know, you own a deadly weapon in canada if theres a complaint about a person who owns a gun the government will do a damn check up thats fucking wonderful, they should do that those fucked up school shooters talk about shooting schools up and no one does a damn thing

Look at it this way. What if you lived in a tyrannical country who has any means at it's disposal to persecute you, how will you defend yourself without any weapons? That's what the 2nd Amendment is, and what it's all about. Protection. Cause the realities of that happening, and it surely can. History repeats itself. Losing that right to defend yourself could end up being the WORST thing to ever lose.

Now I agree with Lamby on the issue of new types of regulations. It's the 21st century now, and you can't just leave things as is. There is certainly problems.

Lamby - you couldn't be more ignorant if you tried. While I agree that abortion v guns isn't completely the same the concepts are close enough to draw some parallels. "counter point A" "A. die because the cancer treatment i needed would have killed the kid so i just have to die from the cancer along with my baby" Even most Pro life advocates are okay with abortion if the mother's life is in danger as presented in this scenario. You talk about "non arguments" but your whole diatribe on this thread has been "non arguments" or completely ignorant drivel. "counter point B" B. raise a child i never wanted nor could have and they will most likely end up part of the crime statistic and fill those private owned prisons to make some rich company richer Because you had a (hopefully consensual) pregnancy that you either do not want or were not ready for and a lack of preventative measures you would choose to be a subpar mother and just resign that child to a likely poor lifestyle. The amount of lack of responsibility here is quite sickening really. So society must compensate because of what you chose to do with your body? As far as "you just lose your gun" as if there is no other adverse consequence other than a loss of an item or recreational hobby is as ignorant as can be (see one of my above posts as to why this is). You say "uh you just have no gun" like that is obviously the only consequence and it goes no further than that like it is 1000% irrefutable fact. I mean if a woman doesn't want to get pregnant why doesn't she uhhhh just close her legs .. or uhhh just make the man wrap it up or uhhhh get a pill (talking consensual cases here - rape is a different story)

like the irish when england invaded? they fought tooth and nail with shillelagh and fought them back many casualties, yes, but pretty bad ass none the less we live not in a communist rejeme, but im america im a paranoid person who loves conspiracies, but i do NOT think the government will become tyrannical and force us into work camps it just is a very big leap for wanting to own a gun when the founding fathers said we should be allowed to have a mallisia, america was small enough that one would make a difference do you want tanks too? bombs? you think your guns will keep away the US MILITARY?

"lack of responsibility" you ever try and take care of a few month old baby? its miserable and then throw on having to keep a job as well? pretty unempathetic and unreasonable response to that sex isnt always consensual my dude, and condoms break women cant just run from a baby like men can sex is a natural part of life and to say "you shouldnt have sex if you cant take care of a baby" is as realistic as "dont teach kids about birth control teach them about abstinence" there are many different reasons to want an abortion, one is what pregnancy does to your body and another is knowing you have poor health/mental health and dont want to put yourself through the stress of a baby and another could be not wanting to put a baby isnt a life that you can barely make work for yourself let alone another human being dont talk on a topic you dont know enough about, my dude and this is off on a very different topic xD

im over this conversation, but all i gotta say is any gun control is unconstitional, and SHALL

Yeah, getting rid of everyone's guns or any type of stricter gun control isn't really going to do shit. America is funny, it was a country that was always volatile and honestly just thrived on all of the violence and chaos during it's expansion. Guns are part of it's culture and history, can't really do anything about that. I'd honestly rather have a gun than be without one in a country where it's so simple to get one. Hell even I have a gun and know how to handle one, and I'm glad I do. The reason why gun control works so well in other countries is simply because the culture is different and no, it doesn't mean they're just better people in most cases or something. I mean I saw Japan brought up and yeah, things work for Japan because not only did they have the general culture of "knowing one's place" that any culture with a caste system would have but they went through some type of weapon control for civilians for centuries in the form of sword hunts issued by various daimyo before the modern weapon weapon laws introduced in the mid 1800's. It quite literally went from "everyone can carry a weapon for either defense, decoration or whatever" to "civilians can't have weapons period" to "only nobility loyal to the daimyo can have weapons" within the span of 15 years basically during the Sengoku period *end random history lesson*

There were many signals with the Parkland shooter and that he might do something horrible. The system and government failed us that day and fail us a lot on many things. They should not be the sole entity in charge of protection (or anything really). Our government was set up with checks and balances - separations of powers. So a government that has every indication that something bad is about to happen and does NOTHING and your solution is to give that same entity MORE power to do the same thing? That thought process is purely braindead. You say keep our guns like most people with that view wouldn't ban half or more than that in an instant. Again I'm theoretically in favor of mental health centered restrictions however in practice they would be abused and clusterfucked. Just because YOU don't want the protection of a gun to fend off an abusive ex do not make that choice for another woman. A shelter or center can't be there for her whole life - they cannot be everywhere. They cannot be at her home 24/7 like a trusty Glock can. This doesn't mean the gun toting woman fearing an abusive ex doesn't seek out other means of help like a shelter or what have you but give a woman more options than that. A gun can be used to equalize a threat ****without*** a shot being fired - idiots forget this. Also me owning a gun should not be instantly viewed as a precursor to a heinous act *without* any other hard evidence. Just because I own four guns should not make me some enemy of the state nor should the government be able to unduly restrict me based on that alone. Pretty much the anti-gun argument is "ugh they're stupid and deadly" without any real alternative isn't going to garner support on a topic where the other side.... actually knows what they're talking about. I can do a lot of potential harm with my weapons - no denying that. I can also do a lot of good with them too - you can't tell that difference without undue draconian policy.