Who Is "Ruining" America?

I dont think you hate men. I don't see you as a straw feminist and I respect your opinion. If i didnt then i would not spend 3 hours debating it with you. Women's issues bother me. A lot. But you saying women are better and listing reasons that i disagree with bother me as well and so I refute them. It is not to attack you. I like you, snarky as you might be you are fun to talk to and debate. But not if you refuse to change your mind just because "my opinions" Im sure you dont hold the same views you did as a child. You changed and grew and developed. Right?

not you voss, the others you have a level head on your shoulders which is nice to see yes i have learned new things and i hope you have too :/

Lamby, What? Gotta be specific, us men are thick headed.

If not, if you're going to let your past color your perspective even knowing that you arent the only one who suffers then I am done. There is no meaning in debating you Men are not worse. Sucks that you think so but there's nothing I can do about that. Good day to you.

Okay, so I do believe that Bamby does have a point through out history part, but I mean that's whole another bag of worms vs Now and Then. I really don't wanna discuss the topic anymore in this thread cause its going around in circles, but if Lamby or anyone else wants to continue the conversation I would rather do it via PM, since this is pretty pointless to continue it here lol.

but its not just disliking men, its not feeling comfortable around them like i do women, its complicated dont think i have some stupid uneducated bias (or do, your someone on the internet so why should i care, i suppose xD)

Lamby I have provided some possible material to reflect on (page 28 near the bottom) and learn and maybe in there might be a possible way to nuance your views and make them more palatable and less open for counters. Maybe you'll even learn something - although more likely you'll just double down and interpret the last say 5 pages as "men surrounding and pouncing on a woman and invalidating her opinions".

yass if you are not going to talk to me like im an adult please just dont address me at all you have not been civil you have been rude and joking on a serious thread it is not appreciated there is a thread for joking and there are threads for serious discussions where respect is needed if you can not do this please do not join in on the discussion