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cero
Cero @cero commented on Election
Feb 02, 16 at 7:25pm
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verucassault
Feb 02, 16 at 7:31pm
You can be pro-choice and be for or against the death penalty. However pro-life and pro-death penalty is illogical. At the root you still terminate a life. I would like to add to this that more people are pro-choice than they care to admit. Those people who say terminating pregnancy due to rape or in the case of incest or in instances where termination is necessary to save the mother's life, they are pro-choice.
burninghalo
Feb 02, 16 at 7:37pm
@veru haha...Fox News :) Real talk though, even ignoring the morality of it all there is a laundry list of reasons to avoid the death penalty.
lordragna37
Feb 02, 16 at 8:35pm
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mariahaise
Feb 03, 16 at 12:53am
That question is stupid to ask because you know I am not talking about relatives, but actually we as a whole group. Is incredible, I'm telling you what it did from my own experience and you still can't believe it. I also told you that for the sake of a country is good to be careful but that doesn't mean that you're going to feel that way over races or people with different conditions than you and that's what this dude is encouraging. Of course if you make me choose in between my dad and some stranger I will choose my dad but that stranger has the right to do the same to others which is why, I repeat, is dumb to ask because in this case the stranger has no choice. Why the hell do you think people migrate in the first place?
burninghalo
Feb 03, 16 at 2:56am
@lordragna37 Since you asked nicely, why not. List 5? okay 1. The sheer number of ways to get people falsely convicted is astonishing. And there is a staggering number of people who confess to guilt of a crime they've never committed based on ruthless interrogation tactics that result in it. In fact over 40% of confessions(which make it more likely you'll be judged guilty in court)are false and the direct result of a suspect being under duress during an interrogation. Just for fun, I want you to try and guess how many people executed have later been exonerated due to new evidence. It's probably higher than you think. 2. It does nothing to reduce violent crime. And, in fact in trying to act as a deterrent it ignores the reasons most people commit crimes. Most murderous or high profile criminal acts are the result of passion and the people who do them are typically not focused on whether or not they'll be executed or sent to prison. As a matter of fact, a study was done by the FBI in 2000 that showed 10 of the 12 states without capital punishment at the time had homicide rates below the national average. So yeah. (By the way, petty one time offenders who've usually been incarcerated due to some stupid mistake have a 50% recidivism rate. This is probably because taking some dumb kid who made a mistake and surrounding them with hardened criminals whilst at the same time labeling them a felon for life may not be the best way of trying to make them a productive member of society. But the US is real stupid about how we treat criminals because too many people adopt Light Yagami's approach to solving crime. But I'm getting off track.) 3. It is much MUCH more expensive than a life in jail. This is because most people put on death row have a right,and exercise that right to fight for as hard as they can to try and reduce that sentence. Guess who the burden falls on? By the way, you're looking at numbers in the hundreds of millions. Trials and appeals for death row inmates are much more costly and time consuming as well. Many states actually appealed to ban the death penalty simply because it was too expensive. 4. Not sure how much of a problem you'd see this as but the death penalty is racially disparate as hell. Just last year 40% of death penalty sentences were carried out to African Americans. (And if you try to argue the whole self-fulfilling "minorities commit more crimes" argument...Just don't do that). Fact is in similar cases, a minority particularly one of lower socioeconomic status is at least twice as likely to face capital punishment as a white person. FOR THE SAME DAMN CRIME! And it isn't just blacks. Minorities and the less affluent members of society in general are disproportionately affected. And...and be sure you hear this...FOR THE SAME DAMN CRIMES! Not angry, just saying. 5. Lethal Injections are prone to mishaps that can leave a person in unbearable pain to the point where it is nothing short of torture. You may think this is okay... if you do then you're part of the problem. And now I will explain why. You see, "hard on crime" prosecutors, officers, and judges are very keen on seeing convictions follow through. To that end they are often willing to cut corners, hide evidence, and enter false testimony into evidence. Prosecutorial misconduct runs rampant in our legal system and this attitude of "justice" being nothing more than killing the bad guys makes our officers, our attorneys and lawyers, as well as our judges all less effective at their job. TL;DR - In case you weren't keeping score The Death penalty is an ineffective deterrent for crime, is more expensive than life in prison, disproportionately affects the more disenfranchised individuals in society, the attitude of "kill the bad guys" is making our justice system less effective....I feel like I'm forgetting one. Oh yeah, and innocent people get killed for crimes they did not commit whilst those who did walk away because in the court of public opinion justice has been served. *BONUS* The National Association of Mental Health has estimated that 5% - 10% of those on death row have serious mental illness. This is a direct violation of the US Constitution ("Ford v. Wainwright, 1986" in case you were curious). And it is a very arbitrary punishment, happening mainly in Southern states. Sources are below: -http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/22/us/absence-executions-special-report-states-with-no-death-penalty-share-lower.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm -http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty -http://californiainnocenceproject.org/issues-we-face/death-penalty/ -http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/us/25death.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all -http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/2015-sentencing -http://web.williams.edu/Psychology/Faculty/Kassin/files/kassin_fong_1999.pdf -http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts -http://www.innocenceproject.org/news-events-exonerations/murder-case-against-ralph-armstrong-dismissed-after-prosecutor-hid-evidence-of-his-innocence -http://californiainnocenceproject.org/issues-we-face/prosecutorial-misconduct/
burninghalo
Feb 03, 16 at 3:44am
Nothing sexier than a long political rant right?...Dating site and here I am arguing against the death penalty.
reclaw
Max @reclaw commented on Election
Feb 03, 16 at 3:52am
Kill them, kill them all!! ... Oh wait Well, your political opinions say much about you. Maybe someone finds you to be particularly interesting because of those posts. I'd want my girlfriend to be politically invested. It's something about culture and education.
xypho
xypho @xypho commented on Election
Feb 03, 16 at 4:14am
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reclaw
Max @reclaw commented on Election
Feb 03, 16 at 4:36am
Did I say that? Read again.
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