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Laughing Fox @laughingfox
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@Baka I miss the Budokai series to be honest- I know it wasn't the most complex fighting game but it felt right for DBZ
正義の味方 @gundamu
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正義の味方 @gundamu
DBFZ is mainly ridiculously popular because it's dragon ball of course and because it's super accessible and simple. I'm kinda worried that other fighting game series are going to go embrace the "muh accessibility!"-movement to get more casuals to play for an hour or two before they decide again that they don't like fighting games and that fighting games are too hard for them because they hopped online with zero understanding of the game at all, mashed some buttons and lost
Personally I don't like going all elitist and stuff over video games but I don't think 'accessibility' needs to be a thing in fighting games. Better tutorials and more fleshed out training modes would be the perfect step forward to making fighting games less obtuse to newcomers since they won't have to scour the internet to watch videos on tech that isn't explained by the game. And ironically, other games by Arcsys do exactly this. Guilty Gear Xrd is a prime example, but Guilty Gear still remains obscure as hell in the west somehow. Under Night In-Birth is another good example of detailed fighting game tutorials, that game is also obscure still, despite it actually being very solid, balanced and fun.
The main problem though is that a lot of people who don't play fighting games seem to always want to take the stance of "people are better than me so the skill gap should be reduced somehow!" when it comes to fighting games and since we live in an age where publishers and developers have basically 24/7 access to people bitching via social media soooo they're going to have to do something right? More producers need to take Katsuhiro Harada's stance when it comes to "fan feedback regarding balance" (AKA begging for buffs to characters they like and nerfs to characters they don't like) lmao:
https://i.imgur.com/t7WRUGm.jpg
In short, I think fighting games should not try to make changes that 'close the skill gap' because it makes things unfun for the people who are good at the genre. It attempts to fix something that wasn't broken and leaves a game that's a bit of a husk compared to the previous entry (street fighter v in a nutshell), it also doesn't actually do anything for the new casual player either as they'll still lose to people who are already good at fighting games 9 times out of 10, which causes the behavior I mentioned before: they get frustrated, say fighting games are still too hard and we end up with more brainstorming with development teams on how to make a game that appeals to these people who refuse to git gud once again.
/endrant
Laughing Fox @laughingfox
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I think that's also endemic of the fact no one wants to learn to play a game anymore- nor have to get good at it. It's part of a bigger problem of today's average player. People don't want to invest anymore. I agree tutorials could be better when it comes to fighting games specifically.
I may not play them professionally anymore but I still enjoy them I'm not one for the shortcuts devs are taking for the sake of accessibility. Nor do I like when they cater solely to the professional. As somone who grew up on them in Arcades all I care about is that they are tuned well and when they come home they have a foxton of unlockables/additional content. Which since nearly all fighting games rely on DLC these days annoys the life out of me. Especially since I barely play online. I remember when I could sink hours and hours into unlocking stuff in Tekken 5 MK and DOA4 instead of just buying it all. I enjoy lore in my games- and its annoying this aspect is glossed over now.
Aka-san @redhawk
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Well said
Null @wolfy2798
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The Yakuza 1 english dub was actually mostly awesome. (At the very LEAST you have to admit Kazuma and Majima's voices were great.)
Lamby @momoichi
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the ending of Memoirs of a Geshia was hot trash garbage
the book was very good, a real page turner, but it all lead up to that disney princess ending
honestly made me dislike and resent the MC, siding more with Pumpkin then anyone.
#justiceforNobu
#Nobuishusbando
#chairmenishotblantgarbagewater
#youhadovertenyearstoreadthebooksonospoilerwarnings
Manga_bird @manga_bird
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Hmm, I don't know about the book, but as far as the film goes I don't see why you'd side with Pumpkin - the main character never set out to be chosen as the next hot shot, and she didn't rub it in her face or make fun of her about it. Was it different in the book?
Lamby @momoichi
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no, sayuri was always a kind person, just i really feel for pumpkin
she was just an ordinary girl and because of that she had to work hard while sayuri was lucky enough to skirt on her looks
then pumpkins future is finally secured when sayuri, whos shouldnt have been a geisha anymore to begin with, steals it out from under her
because of that after the war pumpkin is stuck in a poor okiya probz havin to prostitute on the side while sayuris living it up
sayuri was the daughter of the okiya, like fucking HELL she couldnt have buttered mother up enough to let her back in, but she doesnt
sayuri is kind, but self centered, and because of her looks everyone else feeds into that
and then
SAYURI LEAVES THE OKIYA FOR HER BLAND ASS CHAIRMEN PRINCE (leaving beautiful kind nobu behind!!) AND THE OKIYA IS DESTROYED
like, pumpkin never would have left! she would have stayed in the okiya as she regarded that as her home! so sayuri steals the adoption out from under pumpkin JUST SO SHE COULD LEAVE ANYWAYS
while im ranting on why sayuri's horrible, nobu loved her, he didnt even like geisha's but to him, she was just a person, not a geisha
imagine being nobu. deformed skin, one arm, harsh personality that pushes people away. you find someone like sayuri that you fall in love with, and then she breaks your heart AND "DATES" YOUR BEST FRIEND INSTEAD!!!
and why did she betray nobu? the man she already agreed to let become her danna?! BECAUSE "le but he doesnt understand muh" THEN SIT HIM DOWN AND TELL HIM ABOUT YOURSELF! DONT BETRAY HIM LIKE THAT
HORRIBLE AWFUL REASONING!
the ending was hot garbage water that had no real direction or actual motivation. not to mention the chairmen had a wife and fucking kids, so even when she quit being a geisha they couldnt marry.
you know who didnt have a wife and children......?
....nobu
/rant
edit: bonus round
being called pumpkin by everyone because of your face being super round and you having a habit of sticking your tongue out sounds like something hatsumomo would do.
edit: super bonus round
its still a great book, the ending is horrible but the rest is very, very good
thats why the end is so disappointing, because it was such a good read
Manga_bird @manga_bird
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Yeah, but you say 'steals it' when it was the mother's decision, and Sayuri had no part in it, in the movie I thought she wanted to turn it down.
You say Sayuri was handed everything because of her looks, and while part of that may be true there was a whole montage where she had to cram in all those years of training she missed, so it seems she did actually 'work' for it.
As for Nobu, maybe it's harsh, but she'd had feelings for that other guy since the beginning. You can't just shut that off and decide to like someone else. As she was representing the mother, she could hardly turn the guy down either. Entertaining men was her job. Sure, it's not nice for Nobu, but I wouldn't put it all on Sayuri when that's the life she was sold into. She was pretty lucky to get to the point where she could choose to follow her feelings. I'd probably feel bad for Nobu and Sayuri if she'd ended up with him. He'd never truly be loved by Sayuri, and she'd always be longing for another man. At least one of them is happy in this ending.
It's pretty common for the men in these situations to already have a wife and kids too, I think the baron was the same, right?
Also, by that time it seemed the place was already shut down anyway. The mother literally had to un-box and dust off the old kimono didn't she? I also find it hard to have much sympathy for the mother, she bought kids and groomed them to be prostituted out (high end entertainment and better than a brothel sure, but that doesn't make it a good thing).
I didn't know Pumpkin was the mother's actual daughter, I thought she was just another kid who'd been bought and had been living there longer than Sayuri.
Even though she was mean I sort of felt sorry for the other girl from the beginning who fell in love with someone and set the place on fire. (She totally deserved to be ratted out though, she was a real bully at times)
Lamby @momoichi
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i havent seen the movie (im gonna though) but mameha was training sayuri SO she could take over the okiya and then hatsumomo would be on the streets, that was mameha's grand plan
she did work for it, but so did pumpkin. pumpkin arguably tried harder because she didnt have the natural talent sayuri did
not to mention sayuri was lucky enough to have mameha as an older sister, while pumpkin got hatsumomo, who ran her ragid.
my problem is actually that she had feelings for him since the beginning (in the book she was about 11 i believe)
but i can blame sayuri because (in the book atleast) nobu wanted to be her danna since the beginning, but she declined him and took a general as a danna instead of him, and only after the war and when sayuri was 30 did she consider nobu, and only because she felt a debt to him for protecting her during the war
and even though she owed him that debt, that even after she said no to his being her danna, he still came back for her and protected her during the war.
i know it was common, but imagine your dream guy having a wife and kids. it just tickled me to think that she left a single man that could love and shower her only in his attention for a married man with kids. its unsavory to say the least.
im not sure how the movie went, but in the book mameha wanted nobu to be interested in her to bring up the price of the sale of her virginity, which nobu did not bid high in because hes a man of actual honor, and become her danna later. sayuri was only disinterested in him becoming her danna because its taboo for a man to being the danna of his friends ex danna. there for she could not be with chairmen and nobu. THATS why she disliked it.
so in the books she had only been on the ropes til then, because her and nobu were very good friends so she didnt mind.
she had given in to the fact that nobu would be her danna and that their "destinies were intertwined" until she "realized" that nobu didnt know anything about her, nor did he understand her, and she couldnt have that
so sayuri bangs the guy nobu disliked so nobu would hear word and not want her
thats..... so much what. i could understand that "thats how things were back then" with the whole sex with a man your not attracted to to further a goal, but thats so scummy.
she couldnt even tell nobu, her dear, dear friend and the man who saved her from the war, to his face that she didnt want to be his.
it could be because the author is a man, but the chairmen was so awfully uncharming. he was borign and bland and seemed to take little interest in things that werent geisha related (i.e him falling asleep at sayuri's dance and disliking sumo wrestling.) while nobu was interested in both those things and very passionate
if i could describe the romance in memoirs of a geisha in the best terms i could, id say it pulled a Re:Zero
they shoved rem in our face to make us fall in love with rem (nobu in this case) just to tell us that the mc loves emilia (chairmen in this case)
and i didnt mean to imply pumpkin was her real daughter xD just that pumpkin considered the okiya her home, and deserved it more then sayuri.
im not too sure about a fire :o
also in the book nobu has lost an arm in war to save his commander, so the fact that nobu has an arm in the movie (or so i saw from googling the movie) detracts from his character. also in the book his scarring is much worse, described as though his skin had melted, and only a small part of his face is lesser affected
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