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      Lamby @momoichi
        
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    Lamby @momoichi
    im debating, panda, but no where does that say they are 100% effective. id recommend youd either read what you posted or the actual debate before putting information that just adds to my own claim, thankies 
@hell_hound7 heres a study regarding the safety of seatbelts. it measures frontal collisions, not cars flipping over. 
" New belt systems would be about 60 per cent effective with 100 per cent use."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1653464/
please show me any data that says seatbelts prevent injury and save lives 100% of the time in front or back end collisions? because that meta analysis is the best i could personally fidn and it just regurgitates the fact that seatbelts do not always work
  
      Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
        
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    Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
    Also if the covid vaccine's purpose was to prevent death ok? People are still dying. So isnt it safe to assume the people that died with the vaccine were beyond help? Almost like they were gonna die with or without the vaccine? So that brings me to question how os it working? Because if it was to "lessen the symptoms" symptoms of whom? Where is this data being pulled from? Is it the healthy people that were going to live regardless? Of the people most at risk who were gonna die without it. Thats why your proof is inconsistent. This is how real science works.
  
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    Lamby @momoichi
    @hell_hound7 so to you, if something isnt 100% effective it doesnt work and isn't worth the 99.4% protection it still offers?
  
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    Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
    HOW IS IT 99% EFFECTIVE where is the data saying that the people most at risk were saved by the covid vaccine if the people most at risk to it died even with it.
  
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    Lamby @momoichi
    yeah im gonna need to see where you read that the people at biggest risk were the vaccinated
  
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    Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/19/florida-clark-allen-obituary-covid/
  
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    Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
    84 year old man
  
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    Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
    Vaccinated  and died of covid
  
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    Panda-kun™ @hell_hound7
    Anyone 65+ is high risk
  
      Lamby @momoichi
        
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    Lamby @momoichi
    also, the source to pfizer being 94% effective against hospitalization (apologizes, it was 94%)
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm?s_cid=mm7018e1_w
In a multistate network of U.S. hospitals during January–March 2021, receipt of Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines was 94% effective against COVID-19 hospitalization among fully vaccinated adults and 64% effective among partially vaccinated adults aged ≥65 years.
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