debate

"What if the government forced you to have a vasectomy and then freeze your sperm for when you do wanna have a kid and you have 0 say. fyi, youll be forced to pay for it. this way youll never have an unwanted kid, and therefore wont be a drain on the taxpayers" I dont see what this has to do with anything. If you want to avoid having an unwanted kid then you can do this if you want, but otherwise you should accept that there is some possibility of getting pregnant when engaging in sexual acts

morally obligated? hmmm problem is this isnt a discussion of morals, so i suppose i worded this wrong do i think LEGALLY it should be allowed? no we have rules against cruel and unusual punishments for just this reason if i stabbed a dude and his kidney gets fucked because of that i am 100% not ok with the government taking my kidney and giving it to him nor do i think thats right because my bodily autonomy is my own and not the government's concern.

I'm completely pro abortion. If you think that you aren't capable of raising a child, then you shouldn't raise one. Why make a human being live through pain and misery, when you can just make it not live a life like that at all? Sorry for not adding to the conversation, just thought I had to say this xdddddd

this has to do with the government telling you what you can and cant do with your body if you got the snip then no unwanted kids would be made which means no more abortions just as the government would like to tell women not to have abortions, it could easily make men infertile so no more abortions could be caused ill bring up again that i believe that because sex is used more for recreation than for procreation that there should be reasonable doubt given that you will have a child i believe its unfair to hold women to this standard of celibacy if they dont want a child its unreasonable

Im gonna defend my point once more and then done. So the cattle thing is just like you raise cattle to then be slaughtered and use for other people's consumption same goes for the organs. Why growing organs in someone had to relate to cancer is it holds more health risks in a literal sense than a baby so that was a dumb thing to choose. And 3 baby isnt organ thats all i can say XD your body was made to hold baby otherwise it wouldnt be a thing where as extra organs arent. I only memed you cuz you took it literal baby fetus i meant the same thing. They all eventually lead to a baby anyway so why does specifically calling them a fetus matter. Again no feelings just a bunch if ass pulls here, really reaching for an argument about feelings here I also said more than just being a celebrity but thanks for ignoring that. Funny how im for abortions yet even i can see things and you cant XD maybe its the inner feminist in you going those poor women lol wish you would defend all life like you did animals. Kids contribute more while they require much. I see this alot even in normal society where we arent rich. The kids take care of parents in old age. You can argue that nursing homes exist but so does abuse in them. No one will be alive to care about you then Thst whole car crash thing you lost me on. That isnt even the same thing tbh babies really arent that invasive you cab still live life while they are there and after they are out. Pro you can have sex without worrying about pregnancy too.people are just scared of responsibility and thats why abortions happen most of the time. Cuz adoption exist if things really are that bad

so again the hypothetical was so showcase your bodily rights anti-choicers like to use the "but fetuses are cute" bullshit so when you said babies (which they arent) i took it that you were like them. ok panda defend abortion, im curious to see what your stance is and how you could argue it better than me :P

Well personally I think that the only reason why the government exists and the only reason why the government has the right to govern over us is to protect our inalienable rights. So I view the right to live to be the most important (more important than bodily autonomy) and if it's not protecting our right to live then it shouldnt even be justified in existing. So legally I think that they should protect the right of the fetus and outlaw abortion

so your fine with the government mandating that we grow extra organs in our bodies to give to organ donations? it would save a lot of lives but it also tramples on our freedoms im also curious as to why you think the fetus has more moral consideration than the adult?