Political rants

Anarco-communism sounds like a complete contradiction since anarchy is about no government at its core and Communism is collective ownership.

@projectotakux "...What’s the conclusion? Anarcho-communism is a theoretical political delusion. The only way people give up private property is through force..." You know this happens under capitalism right? Civil asset forfeiture and eminent domain are things that can happen to you right now. It's not exclusive to socialism or communism is my point. Your last post was about local government. Anarchists generally have an issue with lateral power structures more than governments in general but some are anti-government.

@projectotakux Yup, complete contradiction

@twobananasshyofapumpkinpie Bruh, I lost brain cells reading your response. I don't know if you realize this. But your making arguments that make anarcho-communism sound even worse. I won't respond to everything, buts lets go over a few points. "Cheap or overpriced crap made to break in short amount of time so that you have to buy a replacement, not made compatible with previous or future products that end up in landfills when the next product comes out or the current one breaks and is too expensive to fix but not as expensive to replace. Nothing in capitalism is made for efficiency but instead for profit, and it's profitable to be wasteful." I don't think you fully understand what efficiency means. Nothing in this world is 100 percent efficient. I will say this though. Capitalism is way more efficient than any communist system. Capitalism incentivizes the production of goods and services based on supply and demand. The capitalistic supply and demand cycle is extremely efficient because companies know precisely how much to produce based on current market demand. Here's the beautiful thing about capitalism. If some company makes crappy products. Word of mouth gets out. People stop buying products from said company. Company goes out of business. The company with better products flourishes. There is always an incentive to innovate under capitalism. For that very reason. Over the past decades. All high technological advances came through capitalism. Whereas in communism. There is no economic incentive to make products any better. People in any communist system are not going to magically make the best products in the world out of the goodness of their heart. Why would a 5 star hotel provide high quality service if there’s no economic incentive do so? 5-star hotels provide high quality service because they are paid to do so. It is naïve and gullible to think that people will magically give away free high quality service out of the goodness of their hearts. No high end car manufacture will give out free cars like free candy. Yes, let me give out this high end Lamborghini just because it is the morally correct thing to do. That is delusional naïve thinking.

Doritos. That’s all that needs to be said.

“Of course path A is viable.” Take property by force. Comrade Fidel Castro would approve. An anti-government anarchist finds it viable to use police to strip people of their property. Police are state actors. Police act on behave of the state. You want to abolish the state. Because state enforcement is bad. Yet you find it viable for the state to use force, to strip people of their property. If you don’t see the irony in that. Then I don’t know what to tell you. Oh, but the comedy gets even funnier. “individual neighborhoods would make up local unions, that would vote on and send representatives to form a council of neighborhood unions. This concept spread to the entire country forming a horizontal pseudo government with democratically elected representatives. One of these bodies would decide how a court or court like system would function or exist.” You really don't see the contradiction, do you? “Send representatives to form a council of neighborhood unions.” A group of people democratically elected to govern a larger group of people. You know what’s that’s called? That is called the government. It is no longer an anarchy once you have a government. I already know what you’re going to try to do. You’re going to try and play word games. Well, it’s not really a government. Um no, the communist council is the government. A group of people elect amongst themselves to govern the communist community. Just because it’s a small government. Doesn’t mean it’s not a government. The court system is not horizontal power structure. Courts are state bodies. Courts have jurisdictions over people. Once someone has jurisdiction over you. It is no longer a horizontal power structure. But a vertical power structure. Anarchy means no state. Yet you have states bodies like courts and state actors like communist councils, which act as government officials. Anarchist communist society that abolishes the state, but the state still exist. Bunch of contradictory nonsense.

“You know this happens under capitalism right? Civil asset forfeiture and eminent domain are things that can happen to you right now. It's not exclusive to socialism or communism is my point.” You’re might be under the false assumption that the current economic system is 100 percent capitalistic. The current economic system is mostly capitalistic with some state intervention mixed in. Civil asset forfeiture and eminent domain are left wing constructs that crept its way into a mostly capitalistic system where the state forcefully takes property. Yeah, it happens. But it doesn’t happen to everyone. Eminent domain is not extremely rampant. Most people under capitalism are not subjected to eminent domain. Even if their property is taken under eminent domain. People are compensated under fair market value. Tell me, how much are people compensated when peoples’ property is taken under communism? They get absolutely nothing. Whereas in capitalism. They get something. I don’t know about you. But I’ll rather get fair market value for my property rather than nothing.

To be quite frank with you. This extreme left-wing ideology is completely delusional and not well thought out. Just as delusional as the extreme right-wing with their crazy conspiracy theories. Completely cucu for coco puffs bruh

You're looking at the core principles of Anarcho-Communism and saying this isn't Anarchy so it's a contradiction. Anarcho-Communists aren't Anarchists. We're also not just Communists but you didn't know the difference between the 3 ideologies to make a solid case for that. Pure Anarchy has all the freedom and none of the protections of a society, to me it's as far left as a person can go and it's too far. The principles of Communism are great but without Democracy you get concentrations of power that lead to gulags or unyielding poverty like in Venezuela. You assumed I was antigovernment despite me warning you and AspieChu twice that not even all Anarchists are that rigid. That said we are not a monolith and there are some Anarcho-Communists that lean more into Anarchy, and you should absolutely call them out on their BS if they start claiming they can have any kind of societal function without some form of government. So look my guy, I'm starting to get worried that if I push back too hard this will go from rant to debate and I'll get in trouble. I don't think I could convince you of the merits of Anarcho-Communism anyway, and that's fine, if Capitalism is your jam that's cool, just don't forget to look for any flaws so you can always make it better.

@twobananasshyofapumpkinpie We debate here as well, so. I'm actually following along and aleph has made good arguments. I see the contradictions as well so if you want to explain how anarcho-communism works, feel free. I've actually been reading up on Cherokee ancestoral law because I was wondering how the tribe used to settle disputes. (I figure it's the closest thing that I can actually relate to anarcho-communism.) Only in the last few years were they able to win a case vs the government where they are now considered a sovereign nation from the US. They have to figure things out. If law is broken on tribal land, police and sheriff now have to get clearance through the tribe to do the work they were doing all this time. I'm sure they have some sort of agreements with established towns and communities that already had courts and police, but this all happened when I moved away. Not being surrounded and submerged in the culture anymore, I'm not following it as much as I would if I was still in Oklahoma.