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The only way to make sure this is 99% effective is to purposely infect high risk individuals with covid after vaccination. This is what it means to have a control group. Gather different groups using different methods. One groupr with vaccine, one group without vaccine, half and half and keep them locked up to see if being near someone stops them from getting it. Having people walk in a hospital and reporting the numbers from that when they have no idea who got them sick for sure or what they did wrong isnt a control group.

@hell_hound7 read https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

"CDC monitors reported hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases for clustering by patient demographics, geographic location, time since vaccination, vaccine type, and SARS-CoV-2 lineage." This is literally what my point is destroying. They are taking data from hospital reportings. People who already got sick. Ok you know what it is too much for me to explain. You just arent getting it. They are basing their data off hospital reportings to test how effective you would need to literally have human Guinea pigs but then that means risking people's lives

who cares if theyr testing people with other ailments when they arrive at the hospital? that literally means nothing to disprove this data when the point is to record the effects of covid on vaccinated people you are completely ignoring that out of 181million vaccinated the hospitalizations and death was only 19,136 they even go as far as to say that its likely more people have caught covid and just havent gotten tested because theyr symptoms are so mild. unlike the covid vaccine, i am 100% positive that a government research organization knows how to categorize and research data better than either of us

my closing statement is that to say that 0 = 94 is asinine, and the single article that was linked in itself said that he died because people around him werent vaccinated

You arent getting the concept. You are going solely based off the fact they are vaccinated and nothing else. No mask mandates. No geographical location data such as big city vs rural area. Whether or not they go home from work. Just simply them being vaccinated this alone is no conclusove proof it works. As for death in high risk individuals it doesnt say they are high risk it simply says age which is one factor. But there is also obesity and other underlying health issues. I did a 3rd grade project on wich would clean dirty pennies better. And my control groups ranged from lemon juice, chlorine water, and ketchup. I recorded time it took, as well as PH balance, and how much added. I did all this in the 3rd grade. Does the scientific method not exist outside Florida or?

@hell_hound7 so your saying mask mandates work? experiments require control groups. they are not conducting an experiment, they are reading hospital data. now, if you want to read pfizers data regarding their experiments when testing the virus, i shall try and find that research https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4826 and please, i got a taste of florida education as well, dont try and pass it off as anything less than subpar anyways, it is late so read it in the morning, but i will hold you to this debate and i want you to read that research

You know i actually concede on the education thing. Florida is ranked 3rd in the country. Idk why but i thought they used to be one of the worst in the country. Im not saying mask mandates work, and im not saying mask works at preventing the spread it just significantly reduces it. Anything that is mandated is tyrannical. It strips people of any choice they have. Simply going with personal choices here. You will see the paranoid people wearing masks and faceshields doubled up. These are the people most likely to sanatize and remain 6 feet apart. The ones that get sick dont do anything. They dont sanatize, they dont wash hands they continue life like the virus doesnt exist. This entire thing is an experiment, because for this vaccine to be 100% viable out the gate was if they purposely created this virus with the intent to infect people and just so happened to have the vaccine ready on hand just incase. Because creating a vaccine for a different strand of the same virus doesnt work the same way. You still need trials that can take years. Because you need to have an over time variable but since the virus was new and only 9 months worth of data to go off of. This is an experiment. How dobi prove this? The talks of having to get boosters which only started recently because they say its efficiency drops after 6 months.