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majinveta
When a religion has tenets that can be used to justify such atrocious ideas, I think it has to take some blame. Even if it has some good ones. Like if a religion ad ideas about peace, love, taking care of animals, ect, one couldn't blame those ideas on anything bad that happens in the world. If a religion only had wicked ideas such as murder, rape, ect, then one clearly could. If a religion contained ideas of both flavours, I still think it would have to take some of the blame when it's bad tenets are put into practice.
alanzd
Jun 12, 16 at 9:51pm
Absolutely, some blame lands onto the religion. What I don't like and what I don't think is fair, is that people choose to prosecute everyone who believes in said religion instead of the individual. Like they blame everthing that isn't the individual
majinveta
Fair enough.
mariahaise
I'm used to hearing shootings all the time around here but this seriously sounds horrid to me. Difference is that here people mostly get killed for the survival of another, black market business or deals with the government (which are totally different stories since they are a bit more reasonable reasons to kill someone) and then there's this situation in which they get killed by religious views. I do agree the blame is more on the individual than the religion itself but ever since all the things I've heard happening there, you guys have some serious issues to solve. Not that here's any better and I confess not even caring about how many people died back in Paris because I am more worried about how many people die in my country daily yet, seriously? For being gay? I saw all those posts on facebook and that's so despicable. Hope everything solves there.
animeboy
Islam needs a reform much like Christianity received. Islam promotes stoning,head chopping and pushing homosexuals,non believers and raped women off buildings. I know there is a civil war going on with the muslims, but you cannot blame ppl for pointing their fingers at not only the individual but the religion itself, especially the ppl who lost those they cared for in the name of Islam.
mariahaise
Well of course, I agree, but this isn't still solid rock we are standing on. It goes deeper than that, this whole problem is not just going to miraculously get solved by reforming such an influential religion. And sadly, is not something our generation can see yet.
majinveta
Tiger, agreed. Islam hasn't gone through a reformation like Christianity. I'm no scholar on Islam, but I don't believe there is any head figure in Islam like you get with the Pope in Christianity. There is also all the infighting going on between the two main branches of Islam-Sunni and Shia. Islam isn't going anywhere, so hopefully it goes through something of a reformation and the more liberal and peaceful Muslims come out on top.
david_nyquist
Anyone who reads any religious, ancient text, and adopts a literal interpretation, is a damn fool in my opinion. This applies to any and all religion. There simply is no place for it in our modern world. @Tiger Festival: I think you're committing a great error in believing that these Muslim extremists are in the majority. Most Muslims are pretty peaceful and tolerant; but just like any other religion, there are some bad apples. Now, tackling the local issue of this shooting. Everytime this kind of thing happens in the US, it becomes more and more clear that we need some stricter gun control laws. But, of course, the NRA and similar idiots are gonna cite the 2nd Ammendment, bitch and moan, etc. How many times do people have to die just to protect an old right that isn't even salient anymore? We no longer face the tyranny of Great Britain, nor do we live in the wild Western frontier. This is a goddamn civilized society. The right to bear arms? For what! Sure, one could argue that criminals will obtain illegal weapons through the black market. Therefore it's useless to ban guns. But it isn't really useless if you're putting up another barrier to accessibility. It certainly is worth the effort if it means a few more lives are saved. Sure, maybe it wouldn't prevent the Pulse shooter from going on his rampage, but perhaps he would have had access to a mere pistol, instead of a semi-auto assault rifle. That's a killing potential of 20 or 30 per magazine (assuming 100% accuracy) compared to 12 per magazine.
animeboy
^ You obviously missed the part when I mentioned there is a civil war going on between Muslims have you?
loli_vampire
First, 2nd Amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Is a reference to the people of a regulated Militia (from which we get military), to have arms. Not just any random Tom, Dick and Harry (or Sally to be gender pc). But also remember that back then most people needed to hunt for food so guns of that type were common. Second, more guns just means more access to guns, more random rage shootings and more accidental deaths from kids playing with guns. Tag all guns manufactured with an id chip for starters. Limit the sale of any semi-auto or fully auto guns. There are tons of guns in circulation so it will take decades for the number of guns to decrease much but gun violence will gradually taper off over many years. But that won't happen because too many people want guns. Gun companies will help get the political figures elected that they want and the US government is the largest arms dealer in the world. War is profit and money is the true god of the elite powerful and wealthy who really run this country and the world. Religion, it's the most popular psychological drug in the world. The opiate of the masses. It's always been used to explain anything that people don't understand about the world around them. "God works in mysterious ways" and "God has a plan for you" and all that bullshit. People don't know how to find meaning in life otherwise, at least for some. People believe whatever makes them feel better, and sometimes they kill each other to "prove" that their version of belief is the right one. "Holy" wars are responsible for the deaths of untold numbers of people for thousands of years.
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