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So I guess I am officially talking to someone now that for real likes me. Huh....I forgot how that felt. Feels good. I am just gonna keep being skeptical until further notice. O.o

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Net Neutrality in a nut shell, is like telling the FedEx they cannot offer two day, priority, express, or overnight shipping and that all objects, regardless of weight and size must cost the same. Or that Wal-Mart must sell Great Value (their store brand) at the same cost at the non generic brands and they must allow any brand of any product to be sold in their stores.

The idea is that ISPs shouldn't be allowed to prioritize data because they will block websites they don't like. It's honestly astonishing that all of these doomsayers think we are stupid enough to not remember the internet before 2010. It's also a bit odd that those who are completely fine censoring those they disagree with (google, youtube, reddit) are now suddenly pro government enforced neutrality.

But why repeal NN anyway, don't we want it to be safe? Yeah if you like stifling innovation.

Here's a shotgun list of facts:

After NN was implemented there was a 6% decline in broadband wireless investment, the lowest outside of a recession. [2] And that NN has stifled innovation in 5G [3][4] [5]

NN does not have a positive impact on consumer welfare [6] [7]

Paid prioritization is a net positive for the consumer [8] [9]

Over 40% of of economists think paid prioritization is a benefit to consumers compared to 11% who think paid prioritization is a bad idea [10]

I'd also like to point out that when the FCC established NN they gave their economists the silent treatment [11] In what the Chief economist Brennan called a "economics free zone." [12]

Also of interest to note that the FCC seriously misinterpreted research by Professor Michael Matz (an opponent of NN) and used this for their basis for establishing NN. [13] The FCC used examples of discrimination not related to net neutrality and flat out ignored results opposing their view. [14] They also ignored how NN hurts small business who were the ones almost exclusively involved in price discrimination in an effort to compete with large ISP monopolies [15] Their analysis (without economists) was so poor the author of the study had to write a piece calling out the FCC where he "examine[s] the (lack of) economic logic that underlies the U.S. Federal Communications Commission’s latest iteration of network neutrality regulations" [16]

Now I know people will cite the one time netflix was slowed down by comcast but it had nothing to do with net neutrality at all! [17] [18]

If one actually looks closely most of the memes citing cases of net neutrality violations (looking at you aclu) didn't involve net neutrality at all, or were handled with the market forces. I'll update this soon with a debunking of most of those cases but for now, if you were playing pokemon GO 18 months ago and T-mobile wasn't counting it toward your data, you should hate net neutrality [19]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_States Also note that when there were legitimate cases of slowdowns are inaccessibility the free market handled it as noted later in this post.
[2] https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-fcc-can-save-the-open-internet-1511281099
[3] https://www.rcrwireless.com/20170503/opinion/net-neutrality-5G-tag9
[4] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2876484
[5] https://www.technologyreview.com/s/531616/the-right-way-to-fix-the-internet/
[6] https://www.nber.org/papers/w22040
[7] http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7835173/?reload=true
[8] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1894286
[9] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1695696
[10] http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/net-neutrality-ii
[11] United States Telecom Association v. Federal Communications Commission, 825 F.3d 674, 765 (C.A.D.C., 2016) (GOOGLE IT)
[12] https://www.wsj.com/articles/economics-free-obamanet-1454282427
[13] https://www.forbes.com/sites/washingtonbytes/2017/07/12/bringing-economics-back-into-the-net-neutrality-debate/#3014726169da
[14] https://econpapers.repec.org/paper/cdlcompol/qt81r3b7xs.htm
[15] https://econpapers.repec.org/article/aeaaecrev/v_3a77_3ay_3a1987_3ai_3a1_3ap_3a154-67.htm
[16] https://ideas.repec.org/a/kap/revind/v50y2017i4d10.1007_s11151-017-9573-0.html
[17] https://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/06/netflix-isp-newdata.html
[18] https://www.cnet.com/news/comcast-vs-netflix-is-this-really-about-net-neutrality/
[19] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/09/AR2007080901436.html

As for those specific cases

at&t didn't censor it was someone else, but the free market convinced at&t to put more effort into that not happening again (i've listened to pearl jam numerous times on my phone using at&t, as well as anti george bush podcasts, if they really wanted to censor they would).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/09/AR2007080901436.html

Verizon had a viewpoint neutral but content based discrimination (no pro or against abortion) policy that would be allowed under net neutrality but the free market convinced them to changed

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/business/27cnd-verizon.html

The union was threatening to cut the wires of the main company so they were allowed to censor to block unlawful content, which is the law under net neutrality today. The employees were also trying to dox people who were willing to work for the company.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/telus-cuts-subscriber-access-to-pro-union-website-1.531166

At&t now can no longer offer unlimited data plans because people will gobble them up with facetime. What about people like me that would need the data for texting alot but don't face time at all. Shouldn't I be legally allowed to buy a plan that has unlimited data without facetime?

Dec 14, 17 at 11:15am
daggerfella
Daggerfella scratch that, i dont have time to post the update about the ACLU or Pokemon go
wallace614
ロイ We are fuxked
daggerfella
Daggerfella how? were we fuxked back before 2015? nothing has changed. the FCC still chases after companies that unfairly treat customers or blocks content just like before 2015...
solid_snake95
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GUYS! THIS IS URGENT! Today congress in D.C. is voting to get rid of net neutrality, and our internet freedom! This means we have to pay more money to use internet. $5 a month to even use this site right here!!!! !
$6 a month to play online games added on to your normal Wi-Fi bill!!!!!! $6 a month to use social media!!!!!! INCLUDING ANIME, READING MANGA ONLINE, AND PLAYING VIDEO GAMES ONLINE!!!!
TEXT "RESIST" TO 50409 RIGHT NOW TO HELP MAKE A LETTER TO CONGRESS RESISTING THIS VOTE! GET INTO CONTACT WITH YOUR U.S. CONGRESS REPRESENTATIVE TODAY!

Dec 14, 17 at 10:11am
solid_snake95
[DERP] Solid_Snake95 FIGHT THE FCC!
daggerfella
Daggerfella you know that's ENTIRELY up to the Internet Service Providers to offer the internet in a bundled deal. if any ISM tries that, then its OBVIOUSLY going to get them backlash, boycott and a loss of customers. Most of the reasons they wanted to remove the classification of it as a telecommunication service is because NETFLIX didn't want to pay COMCAST for more Bandwidth. BEFORE 2015 (when Net Neutrality was established), any time a Internet Service Provider stepped out of line, the FCC Filed a lawsuit or pressed for charges to STOP unfair practices with the internet. basically gutting net neutrality MEANS we go back to the system we had in 2014. Back in 2014 did we have packaged bundled deals for the internet? No, we didnt. we got the same speeds and pricing that we have now. only thing different is that they are not paying for a One Size Fits All Bandwidth. You used to have to pay more to get more bandwidth (meaning THE COMPANY HAD TO INSTALL MORE INFRASTRUCTURE, i.e. WIRES and BOXES) Classifying it as a Telecommunication Service MEANS more expensive permits and regulations that would prevent smaller businesses from setting up T5 lines, Fiber internet connections, Wireless Relayed internet and the like because the start up costs would be MUCH Higher. Most of the information spread around is fear mongering at best. As before net Neutrality, the FCC had taken on Verizon, Comcast, AT&T, and enforced equal protections, and to fine and take them to court when they stepped out of line...
wallace614
ロイ We are fucked in the long run
daggerfella
Daggerfella how? i dont recall having blocked content, paying more than i do now or having tiered internet back before 2015 when they reclassified and regulated the internet...
daggerfella
Daggerfella and i dont see how signing up for a mailing list so they can collect my money and sell my email address and phone number is going to help for any cause...
solid_snake95
[DERP] Solid_Snake95 Sorry for not replying sooner. Had to go talk to the highschoolers again about the merchant mariners and my union as a career choice. I see your points Daggerfella, and I can understand how it may not be an end of the world. However it still is really inconvenient this happening and adapting.
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