Suicide

"Certainly I’ll not resort to a therapy, I don’t need THAT kind of “help”. Fighting and working to move on is pointless, if you don’t enjoy/love your life and don’t expect it to change for the better." Do you even realize how retarded you sound right here? The point of fighting is to make it so that LIFE can be enjoyable lol. Suicidal people know they aren't the only ones in the world and i highly doubt a girl would want to date a man whose got suicide issues. That and a girl whose got Suicide issues herself wouldn't make you happy. Yes, i'm clearly the one bitching and moaning, that's why you're here crying for attention because you literally want everything handed to you on a platter because you don't want to work on improving your life enough to enjoy it. lol. Literally, Sad. And no, I'm not an Admin or mod, but the negativity you're bringing to this forum and this thread is unacceptable. Telling people that if they have a reason to suicide, they should do it? And if they don't want to work on improving their lives, they should do it or just stay miserable? If you were anywhere near me, i'd beat the living hell out of you. smh. You just sound completely lazy to me. On a side note, Good luck on finding yourself a girl. I'm done here because you clearly don't see the point i'm trying to make even though it's as easy as counting to 3.

“Do you even realize how retarded you sound right here?” Yeah, sure. That’s why ExHeroKid said: „And don't anyone ever go to therapy. Those groups are all bullshit they only give you a place to vent then tell you what you want to hear I can do that for free” Regarding the other sentence you quoted: Everyone is free to make a decision to fight/work for something depending on their own estimation of the chances and quality of a possible reward vs. investment estimation. And this includes living on at all. There’re simple facts / deliberations that you should be able to grasp, in spite of your stance: # We all die one day, our life time is most likely just 70-90 years. # As you get older, your quality of life decreases in the most cases. Illnesses, being less attractive to the opposite gender, limited chances to study and find new jobs – just to name a few. Even being rich doesn’t compensate for the most (or at least very many) people. # People are very different not only in terms of their abilities to reach certain goals, but also in their abilities to enjoy certain things, or even anything realistically achievable in this life. # We all have a different set of things that we enjoy or hate, as well as a different weighting for these things. # Almost everyone has a “red line”. Beyond this line life is not worthwhile. For everyone it’s *different*. Being paralyzed (fully or partially). Losing your limbs. Losing your beauty/handsome appearance. Being raped or otherwise mistreated. Great pain. Etc. If one estimates that prospective SUM of good/bad in the remaining life will be negative (more or less steady), especially after living in the “negative SUM range” for a long time – why would you call it “retarded” to not wish to extend this kind of life (or rather existence) ? “Suicidal people know they aren't the only ones in the world and i highly doubt a girl would want to date a man whose got suicide issues. That and a girl whose got Suicide issues herself wouldn't make you happy.” I’m not looking explicitly for a girl who considers ending her life. But it’s important for me that my girl feels the same about this issue, or at least doesn’t judge me for thinking/feeling the way I do. This is essential for me. That’s why I’m standing my ground in this thread, even though I’m getting headaches from it and delay or even mess up other important things. I see no reason why a meeting of two people who considered a suicide till that point can’t make them happy. If one of the most important reasons for them being in the negative range was that they’re alone, they sure might improve each other’s quality of life or even make it worthwhile for them. “Yes, i'm clearly the one bitching and moaning, that's why you're here crying for attention because you literally want everything handed to you on a platter because you don't want to work on improving your life enough to enjoy it. lol.” No, actually I’m fighting for my chance to meet a like-minded girl, even though I’ve to deal with rude fellows like you. I’m being honest, I present my views and my current situation truthfully. I wouldn’t call it “crying”. And certainly I don’t want any attention from the likes of you. Unfortunately I can’t tag my posts so that they’re hidden from anti-choice vigilantes. “Telling people that if they have a reason to suicide, they should do it? And if they don't want to work on improving their lives, they should do it or just stay miserable?” That’s not quite true. I do however think that everyone has the right to end their life in dignity, and that no one has the right to degrade them for this decision. I also mentioned that a parent has a special responsibility. “If you were anywhere near me, i'd beat the living hell out of you. smh. You just sound completely lazy to me.” Are you prepared to go to jail (or at least have a criminal record) just so that you can silence me? Let me tell you something: I’d fight back with any means I have, from physical to legal, and I would not stop defending my position here or elsewhere just because a jerk like you tells me to do so. Though it would be silly to enable such a meeting. Also, in case of such a meeting I might as well have to go to jail.

Tornadomushroom is such an ass, he doesn't want you to kill yourself. What a fucked up guy! ;D

Yes. I'd gladly go to jail for shutting your mouth for giving people the thought that it's okay to end their lives because you're not happy with yours. Telling them that if there is no hope on improving their life. You think you're old? You're 40 something years old and you're bitching lol. No one wants to date someone who has suicide issues because there is no point. They aren't even sure if they'll be able to help and if they fall in love, who knows? That person may end up taking their own life anyway and what does that leave them? Someone to mourn for? As to speaking of Negative SUMS and the Positives, that just proves my point that you're just completely lazy. You have to work to enjoy living. You only go as far as the amount of effort you put in. That is why I'm calling you a retard because you don't believe it and you keep giving people the idea that it's okay to suicide without them even trying to improve their lives first. That they should just give up if they feel they have no hope. Your negativity is the reason why I'm posting. No one wants to hear your shit around here. As for Therapy, those are your opinions. Have you ever taken Therapy before? gotten help? How can you judge that it's useless or what really happens? There's a reason why Professional Athletes and Celebrities take Therapy when they are not happy. Exhero's opinion is his own but hes not the one whose suicidal. You, however. Are. Anyway, complete last post. Continue to tell people it's okay to take their own life when they obviously can live for more than they currently do. Shows how humane you are. Disappointed that people like you exist. @Jean Rivera, I KNOW RIGHT? MAYBE I SHOULD JUST TELL PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES INSTEAD.

Good job misrepresenting my posts. I never said that there is no chance to improve one’s life, nor that it’s not worth to try improving one’s life in general. However, people have the right to decide for themselves whether/when they reach the point when it makes no sense anymore to fight. “No one wants to date someone who has suicide issues because there is no point.” The fact that I wouldn’t mind it proves that you’re wrong. “They aren't even sure if they'll be able to help and if they fall in love, who knows? That person may end up taking their own life anyway and what does that leave them?” Aren’t you the one who urges people to seize the chance? It is my firm conviction that if I ever find happiness, it will be with someone who shares my views/feelings on this topic. “As to speaking of Negative SUMS and the Positives, that just proves my point that you're just completely lazy. You have to work to enjoy living.” Estimation of one’s chances and weighting positives vs. negatives has nothing to do with being lazy or not willing to work. “You only go as far as the amount of effort you put in. That is why I'm calling you a retard because you don't believe it and you keep giving people the idea that it's okay to suicide without them even trying to improve their lives first. That they should just give up if they feel they have no hope.” Your point seems to be that no matter how small the chances are, everyone must keep trying till they die from natural causes, and everyone who doesn’t agree with you is a “retard”. And where did I say that people shouldn’t try first? “No one wants to hear your shit around here.” You can’t speak for everyone. “As for Therapy, those are your opinions. Have you ever taken Therapy before? gotten help? How can you judge that it's useless or what really happens?” You don’t need to try everything in order to reject it. “Continue to tell people it's okay to take their own life when they obviously can live for more than they currently do. Shows how humane you are. Disappointed that people like you exist.” I don’t think that anyone would take their own life because of my posts. If this discussion pushes anyone in this direction, it’ll be the way the anti-choice vigilantes present their position. You are not helping anyone by being so rude and spiteful. And, the disappointment is mutual. The world would have been a better place without jerks who threat others with violence over a discussion in a forum. Perhaps even less people would be on the edge where they consider ending their life.

You sir, are a poor man. You can't even comprehend your own posts, which is the most saddening thing about all your posts. No longer wasting my time on someone who promotes suicide... It's not even that actually, it's the fact that a 40 year old man is coming on to a forum where it consists of nothing but youngsters and telling them that it's okay to suicide lol. Feeling hopeless enough to bring others down with you huh?

You go on and on in twisting other people’s words. There is difference between “promoting” something and saying that it’s one of basic human rights. If you join a demo for the rights of gays, it doesn’t mean that you “promote” same-gender relations. If you join a demo for decriminalization of aborts, it doesn’t mean that you “promote” aborts. Likewise, if you join a demo for decriminalization of euthanasia, it doesn’t mean that you “promote” it. I apologize if my posts bring down anyone, this was definitely not my intent.

Me? Twist your words? You don't even know what you're posting about, let alone have any comprehension to what you've posted in the past few pages. Perhaps you should go back and read what you've said. Read your own shit from another person's perspective, your posts are the most negative ones. You could claim mine are negative and while they are, it is with the intent to keep people sane, not to end their own god damn lives because they are at rock bottom. Your posts scream out "PROMOTE SUICIDE". I'm not gonna even quote all the evidence because all you'd have to do is go back and read it. Perhaps you've never had friends who have comitted suicide so you have zero experience or understanding of my perspective. But even then, person should be able to tell you that Suicide is the wrong way out. Continue on with your rant, all you're doing is giving suicidal people more of a reason to do it.

Yes I'm totally lying about your posts. You can't even get your shit straight, who are you to claim that I'm lying when your posts say it all? I keep replying because I'm annoyed by a 40 year old targetting teenagers and people in their teen years and 20s telling them if they aren't happy, suicide is a way out. Think about how you sound. The amount of ignorance you yield is simply AMAZING.