so BLM attacked the KKK the other day

What method is BLM using that you disagree with? I honestly don't see it. When they have peaceful protests out in the street, no one listens. No one shares their video on facebook, no one does shit. But when they're at the mall, blocking the entrance, hindering you from buying shoes, they're annoying. Why can't they do it where they're not bothering anyone? Cause no one listens when they do. People still think that the Baltimore Riots were BLM. It wasn't. BLM was across town doing a peaceful protest but all the camera's were on the 2 blocks where people were burning a CVS. When a college football team decides to go on strike until a racist ass Dean retires, they're selfish lil bastards that should know their place, out on the field getting concussions for our amusement. When a kid is shot within .03 seconds upon a cop's arrival, not having time to even react because he's already dead, he shouldn't have had a toy gun at a park playing with other kids. When a pool party goes out of control cause some racist bitch calls the cops cause there's too many black kids at the pool and 3 kids get arrested for not kissing the cop's ass, they need to know their place, on the ground, underneath the officer's boot until He says so. Fuck the fact that they're all minors and fuck the fact that there was no reason for them to be arrested since they LIVED IN THE FUCKING NEIGHBORHOOD BUT BECAUSE THE WHITE BITCH NEVER SEEN THEM BEFORE THEY MUST'VE BEEN TRESPASSING. Yeah, I can go on and on about the injustices of the fucked up police system and keep pointing them out, but if all I get from you is, don't make me listen to your truth cause it's uncomfortable, welcome to my life, buddy. You honestly think people give a fuck about you when you do shit officially? Right now, there's a FEW fucking sports teams out there that are beyond offensive to natives. The Washington Redskins & the Indians. The only other team that has a racial name is the Boston Celtics, which is ONLY still cool because the Irish are not offended by it because there are actually a race in Ireland called the Celts and their people are called Celtics. There is NO tribe in America called Redskin. Not 1. There's Blackfoot, which I am, Navaho, Jemez, Kanza, Dakota and a whole lot others, but none are called Redskins. That's like naming a state New Nigger or Japslyvania. It's offensive and most of the people who are OK with the name are NOT THE VICTIMS so they don't care. You know how many times the natives have begged and pleaded with the NFL to change the name of the team and were told to toughen up and deal? As if their word and feelings didn't mean shit. To be Mocked by not only an organization but all their fans of the team and teammates regularly in their face and told to deal with it? Now I bet if a bunch of natives decided to go tribal on their ass and peel back the heads of the 'white devils' and wore their scalps like a Trump toupee, Swat, the National Guard, Army and whole lotta police, cameras and white people would start paying a whole lot more attention and change the name of the fucking team. Better yet, most recently, the Bundy incident in Oregon. You mean to tell me that a bunch of white people gather at a park and forcibly take it over with their assault rifles, AK's, pistols, etc, tell the world that they're willing to shoot at anyone that approaches and demands support from non government is an "armed activist" and should be left alone, but the Black Panthers need to be disbanded cause they're a threat to the general public. Or the Bundy Occupancy, that had to ask people to send underwear and water because they didn't ration their everything at all and donations are needed to get more beer and slim jims are harmless but BLM are unruly and need to be disbanded cause they're too unorganized. Or how bout the fact that the Bundy Occupancy were not a threat even tho they were asking people to come and show their support in anti-government and help them take back their land are not labeled terrorist but the Taliban & Al-Queda, who fucking tweet to get recruits and has rap video's to help are terrorist and must be bombed before life everywhere cease to exist? You, personally, may not agree or what not, and those particular incidents are exceptional, but I'm only talking about stuff that's common knowledge. There are people who are constantly being mistreated by the police force of all races. But right now, Black people in particular, are fed up and instead of just having meetings in basements and scaring white people with guns, they're annoying you with a constant reminder that you fucked up an entire race of people's lives and need to change that.

Let's not forget, Africans are the ONLY race that didn't come to this country willingly. My people (yes, i'm going there) were dragged and picked off like fruit. snatched from homes and shoved on a fucking boat and beaten only to be stripped to their balls just to be sold off to some redneck business man that had a field of cotton waiting to be picked. And he couldn't do it himself. I mean, he'd sweat and get blisters and who has the money to pay people so lets get these human sized pets to do it instead. That was not that long ago. We're not talking thousands of years ago. We're not talking biblical times. We're talking 1865. That's JUST slavery. Segregation started IMMEDIATELY after. Do you know what that was? White people said that now that the niggers aint working they need to go somewhere. Get your OWN shit. Separate neighborhoods, schools, restaurants, businesses, everything. It took a while, but they started to get their own shit. inventing stuff and getting better at life in 'Murica. They even made their own Black Wall Street. Black people had their own businesses, neighborhood, schools, restaurants, everything. They didn't need the white man. Do you know what happened to that? 1921, June 1st, white people decided that a black wall street was not needed and decided to kill 3000+ black people (women & children) and destroy 600+ black owned businesses. 21 churches, 21 restaurants, 30 grocery stores and two movie theaters, plus a hospital, a bank, a post office, libraries, schools, law offices, a half dozen private airplanes and even a bus system. Guess who was behind that. The Ku Klux Klan. Not one arrest, not one. And yet, the KKK are, clearly, alive and well even to this day. So please, show me somewhere in history where the Black Panthers slaughtered 3000+ white people, 600+ businesses and got away with it. Then and only then will I say that the BP's & KKK are alike. Then I'll say BLM are more help than good. Until then, shut up. It's not the same on any level. It's not even in the same ballpark. and until you recognize the fact that we've been slaves in this country longer than we've been free and that many grandparents can tell you first hand about segregation and lynching. They can tell you where the term "picnic" came from as well as the true purpose of the Police when they first were conceived. But no, white people, racism is gone, it's all in your head. Black Lives Matter is just an over exaggeration of lil shit that happens and it's not a big deal. they're just winey lil bitches. I like how when we were slaves there was no problem. Now, that we're not working for free, 400 years later, we're lazy fucks that think we'er entitled to shit.

@ElderReaper: You can argue their methods, but the movement's aims are incredibly important for the lives of millions of Americans. And at least they've got people talking about the issues. I really don't care if they were harassing Bernie Sanders either; it had to be done in my mind, because his whole platform focuses on the middle class' issues, and doesn't focus enough on the plight of many blacks in lower income neighborhoods. I think Sander's has become better from the experience. Basically everything Kichigai said. I haven't got anything to add to that.

If Bernie can't handle 1 person bringing up issues that they deem more important than some irrelevant, bullshit speech, then he shouldn't be president.

Also, it's that same bullshit line of thought, BLM = KKK, that irritates me. People, mainly white people, who think that cause they didn't see it personally or they saw a clip on youtube or facebook, that whatever they saw is the truth. Like how Daggernerd started this thread with "BLM attacking KKK". I dunno what the hell video clip he saw, but I'm assuming he saw the one where one klansmen was thrown to the ground and a big mofo punted his face into next week. I saw that. Went to discover what happened. That guy that got punted told niggers to fuck off and that he would've hung them like Christmas ornaments. He's lucky he still breathes without help. He doesn't need to live, in my opinion. I don't like bigots. As a matter of fact, I HATE bigots. I believe they waste a really important resource that we all need, oxygen. He's better feeding plants as a corpse. Now, just cause he said if he could he'd kill a bunch of black people, is him getting his ass whipped a proper response? personally, no. But that's 1 man's opinion. Due note. My Step-dad was a cop. He helped raise me more than my father by far. He also took care of my mom when I left to go to college from her deranged husband. Him and most of his cop buddies are my cop buddies. we drink together, chill together and all that. When he died of a heart attack last year, it was nothing short of a shock. Loved that man as if he was flesh and blood. Saying that to say this, I do not hate all cops, not even most. But you best believe if I don't know you personally, you're getting the stranger treatment. That being you need to earn my trust & respect before I give it. Not gonna kiss ass to a badge just because. There's a case going on locally about a cop who shot his wife in broad daylight in front of their kids. The public, newspaper, immediately demonized him. threw him under the bus. Failing to note how the justice department neglected to do anything about the 27 times his wife, wife's friends, wife's family, kids, etc called the police on him for abuse. The local government let a deranged cop who wanted to see his kids but his wife wouldnt let him and so they'd fight constantly be a cop. No seeing a shrink. No medication. No suspension until the case was investigated. Nothing. I dunno if he got convicted because the case is ongoing, but I can tell you that he's out on bail. now, you tell me, based on what I said, can you guess what race the cop is? There are some cops that I love and would happily put my life in their capable hands and there are some I'd kill myself. That's life. I feel that way about people on this site.

Sorry ^^ going to skip the whole part where they were fighting.. just one little argumentation. If someone would try to stab me with a knife I would kick that person in the balls (if he is male). xD However from my perspective the USA needs some politcal changes. Trumps is only going for his own sake "My dad gave me only a few million dollars." What the actual fuck? :D People usually hate Sanders due to Trump some other high society politicans and people like that when he only wants to reorganize the health system in the USA. Sure his whole campaign isn´t that perfect but at least he got some good points. I have relatives in the USA... they are honestly pretty rich and don´t really care about money or the health system. My cousin doesn´t really care they never had problems with that but even they have friends that live in a more poorly society and know how bad this system in the USA actually is atm. Don´t just care about money. Trump is one of those guys who got money from the start and can´t get his brain out of the high society. A good president... a good human has to experience pain to learn or at least learn from the pain from others. The best way to learn that the hottplate is hot is to touch it - basic logic of every science. :D Only the theory won´t get you far. I would vote for Sanders so far - he just need some teaching lessons. People should learn and evolve constantly - in this society it is really hard do achive tbh. ;D The sad thing about voting for a president is that you have not that many options. The more clever guys are probably doing something else. In germany Angela Merkel studied physiks in the beginning - wonder why she went for politics in the end tbh. I really wish for a more cooperative society with the USA with Russia - let´s be honest Putin at least acts properly in many cases. He looks like a bad guy but he knows how to keep his companies going. Putin is not russia, Obama is not the USA people like to make mistakes and they will do mistakes. Clever people should teach them but in this world, in this society people think that their own opinion is the best and they won´t change it just because someone else is giving a different opinion. Racists are going to stay racists - so do assholes if they can achieve something with it they won´t change it - end of the story. I don´t get why people are sometimes that naive. :D This world is evolving since 20k BCE, even earlier :D Atm I just feel that our society is stuck in one place for years. ;D On days like this I really wish I could talk to some presidents in this world personally and argue with them.

I'm done discussing this with you Kichigai. Blacks are not the only people repressed in the last 100 years. My family on both sides suffered various forms of oppression including execution by the British and Cuban gov't.

Anyways, I'll continue discussing this with blood&icecream if he so chooses. In response to your post: The breakdown of racial relations is definitely, absolutely a problem. How much of a problem it is, is debatable. I would argue the main reason Sanders isn't bringing it up is because he feels that there's better things to discuss, such as the state of the economy, the problems of healthcare, college student loans etc. so he's focusing on those. But Sanders is Jewish. He won't let black people get trampled. The one thing I dislike is entitlement. Yes, black people were slaves for 76 years of the existence of the US ( I don't count years it was a British Colony ) and were enslaved when it was the British Colonies, but I don't count the years before the ratification of the Constitution. Up and until then it was still legally a Separatist of the British Empire. Even if you include the 13 years of the provisional US government, slavery has been outlawed for 152 years. Segregation was a state issue as well - as it varied widely from state to state. Back to the black lives matter movement, I agree there needs to be change. However I'm not alone in criticism of the movement http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21NVGreenBlackLivesMatter90115.html. The problems are that they expect officers to use discretion under pressure, over-discretion that could result in them being killed or civilians being harmed. Michael Brown was an innocent man, and I agree that the officer was trigger happy. However, Freddie Gray was a criminal with several criminal offenses on his record, including assault. He also ran - which is resisting arrest. I'm not defending the use of force that was used by the officers, I've seen the videos, as has my friend whose a cop and he agrees it was "excessive no matter how you look at it." but, regardless, he didn't help his situation. I've been confronted by police. You shouldn't be running, you stop, keep your hands where the officers can see them. I did refuse to talk to them. But that's not the same as running - which is essentially an admission of guilt - it begs the question "why the hell run?" The problems within the black community are compounded by a significant portion of black-targeted media reinforcing violence, drug use, misogyny and other terrible things, a culture that perpetuates a disrespect for authority and socioeconomic choices of not getting an education and going out and knocking up your girlfriend and getting her pregnant, continuing a cycle of poverty that was entirely their choice. So what to do? BREAK THE CYCLE. Either promote better role models, so children don't grow up like that, or get an education so you have a higher earning potential. I mean geez this is so obvious, its painfully obvious.

This post is not about the other races that were oppressed. Besides me, no one mentioned about Asians being oppressed or Mexicans, or Polish, or Italians. And that "well, you're not the only one" attitude is beyond ignorant. So, because I'm not the only race that was oppressed I should chill? You know what my race do have that no other race in America has? We're the ONLY race that was didn't come here voluntarily. What other race in America came here in slave boats? (don't answer that cause it's besides the point). Also, if you read what I posted about black wall street, you'd clearly know that black people have been trying to get out from the ghetto's but can't. Every time we've tried we're either killed, burned, lynched or arrested. But go on, talk about how Black communities are not trying to break the cycle. Cause programs like "My Brother's Keeper" in Chicago doesn't exist. Or City Year in NYC, Baltimore, Florida and other parts of the US doesn't happen. Or any other number of things that the black community does to keep its children and people safe don't exist. Your dumbass only listens to what the media says about the black community and take it as fact. How bout reading about what actually happens in the community before you talk recklessly from the side of your mouth. You sound stupid. What does getting a woman/gf pregnant have to do with the ghetto? If I'm poor I shouldn't have kids? Or I should only have 1 or 2 kids if I make less than 20k a year? That's what you sound like. Also, if I'm out and about, minding my own business and a cop flashes a light on me and screams halt like a madman, I'm going to run until I'm surrounded by people. I'm not bout to 'cooperate' and quite possibly end up dead in a cell cause I listened to the police. See, you think that if they follow directions that everything will be fine. No, that's not the case. Just because we follow the law doesn't mean we get to go home. Sometimes we end up in jail for 6 months. Sometimes we end up dead. Sometimes we go home. those are the 3 outcomes. Dead, Jail, Home. 2 of 3 options that I don't want and you want me to chance it? fuck outta here. And before you tell me something else your cop buddy said or agrees with, do you even know where the origins of Police Force came from? Look it up. I'm not gonna explain it.