Remember RPG's that were actually fun and good?

Chrono Trigger team was called the dream team back in the day as it was a mash up of all the best both Enix and Square had to offer. Both the creator of ff Hironobu Sakaguchi as well as Yuji Horii the creater of Dragon Quest and the story was done by Yuji Horii and Masato Kato who also did the story from Xenogears and ff7. the music was done by Yasunori Mitsuda who was never part of a FF team.

Have you tried Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Shin Megami Tensei 4, Radiant Historia, Tales of xillia, Dragon's Crown or Ni no kuni? Rawriceball, yeah, there are a few good ones out there, but there far and inbetween. Tensei 4 came out a decade after the 3rd one, Nocturne. Tales of series are great, didn't play dragon crown yet nor xenoblade yet. I'm not doubting there are some hidden gems here and there, but they're far less than what was out there before. Xenosaga sucked, all of them. .hack series sucked, all of them, FF stopped being FF after 10, in my opinion, BOF dragon quarter was garbage, phantasy star Online was garbage, and the list goes on.

I think you compare it to the standards of past rpg titles which isn't fair to newly released titles. Either way, if you enjoy an rpg that all it counts right? There's nothing wrong with a time lapse with SMT4 to SMT3. SMT4 branches out to new fans and old fans. It's still nocturne hard if you play it on the normal difficulty. And while I agree on some series ( .hack series wasn't good, but it wasn't entirely bad. BOF Dragon Quarter imo seems more of a title in it's own category since it's not like a turn based rpg. ) I think it's based on your williness to play a game for it's worth.

I am comparing current rpgs to the old ones. What else can I compare it to? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for new things, but what I honestly don't like with current RPGs is the lack of depth with stories. And then on top of that, they're so easy to beat you barely have time to enjoy a challenge. Demon Souls & Dark Souls aside, cause those 2 games kicked my ass and everyone elses... I only pointed out the time difference to note the gap of how long it took to get another GOOD rpg out from that series. and I think every game they've produced is good. Atlus has a good eye for rpgs... Disgaea is a godsend.

You have to remember with older RPG's as with books and manga, that even though we are given all the info we still produce most of it in our head. Unlike now in that all of the story is given on a silver plate. The more we have to imagine the easier we are to attach our self to the story. That plays a fundamental reason why the manga is better than the anime, the books are better than the movies, and older games are better than the newer ones. The personal changes we make in our head make the story that much better.

kichigai913 I agree, games these days try way to hard to impress you with graphics when I would gladly still pay $50.00 for a really good 8-Bit game that actually had character development and a strong story. Today's Final Fantasy games are nothing compared to the old one. If you think otherwise play through all of the 10-14 part of the series, then play through the first 10 (roughly) hours of FF VII and watch Aries die. Or experience a true classic TBS with Final Fantasy Tactics (Though I admit some of the experience was lost in translation if you only played the original PSX version). I can literally (as in real life) play FF13-FF132 without even looking at the screen, that and the endless "Hallways" were just unbearable. I officially swore I would never play another Final Fantasy game as long as 13 or any of it's sequels were being made and/or released. That was about 6.5 - 8 hours into FF13 the 2nd day it had been released, the lesbian (nothing against lesbians lol) "Scissoring" Shiva motor-cycle was my cut-off limit.... I think I played about 1-2 hours past that point. I was also disturbed at the possibility of all the Chocobo shit in Sazh's hair well before Spoony pointed it out. drmario - Yes and no IMO. People like Toriyama were little more than "art design" in most of the games *large boots and crazy hair lol, the Toriyama trademark*. I agree with what your saying overall though, just blah on the Toriyama reference except in Dragon Quest exceptions lol. havoc81 - This I do agree with as well but only to an extent, at least from a personal stand point. Even today I would still gladly pay 50-60 bucks for one of the old 8 bit classics simply because of the story and character developement. There are newer examples of stories that can still make you use your imagination, PS2 Valkyria Chronicles (was a good example in my opinion, enough visual/audio to let you know what characters looked/sounded like but not a lot of animations, which left a lot to the imagination still). Also you should look up a few of the newer games coming out, if you don't know about them I would recommend keeping an eye on both "Fortnite" and "The Forest". Fortnite = Creative fort building sim where zombie type creature attack at nigth and you gather materials and build during the day. The Forest - Survival Horror. Trapped on an island and you must really eat/sleep/drink and build shelter/fires to keep yourself alive while dealing with a population of nocturnal "Cannibals". I'm looking forward to both of these. Old RPGs I'd Recommend - No POST PS1 Games 1. Star Ocean: The Second Story (And the 1st one on SNES available through Fan Translation) 2. Final Fantasy 6-7 (6 was originally 3 in the U.S.A.) 3. Final Fantasy Tactics - Play "War of the Lions" *PSP* for the best translation. 4. Breath of Fire 2 - The first game was great, but 2 is the first one that really stood out IMO. 5. Breath of Fire 3 - Good story. Use "Gene Splicing" for 12 different base dragon forms. Each form can have multiple elemental bases making for a LOT of different dragons/abilities. 6. Grandia - #*%&ing classic.... period. 7. Grandia 2 - Almost as good as the first, if not a little better. 8. Wild Arms - "Spaghetti Western" RPG 9. Revelations: Persona *Persona series also known as "Shen Magami Tensei" if looking up the series* 10. Persona 2: Innocent Sin 11. Persona 2: Eternal Punishment - All 3: Dark, well written stories. All 3: Obtain demonic "Persona" to transform into during battle. P2:EP - Can import your save from "Innocent Sin" to change game world. 12. Tales of "Insert any game of this series here" 13. Ogre Battle - Kind of a RTS TBS hybrid. Story changes based off all of your choices. 14. Suikoden - Another one of the "Insert any game in this series". Like 150 character to recruit plus a battle system that lets certain character "Combo attack". Keep in mind I'm talking about PS1 and before before hating on me for that certain PS2 version. *BLAH* 15. Legend of Legaia - Great RPG, has an "action battle system" where you input commands for separate body parts *left/right kicks/punches* to attack with. Certain combinations of puches/kicks will result in super attacks known as "Arts". 16. Bahamut Lagoon - SNES *Only available via fan translation patches and emulators* Amazing game... play it. 17. XenoGears - No words can describe this game IMO, just go play it ASAP 18. Chrono Trigger (OMG Had to list this as a last second *edit* to avoid getting flamed :) lol) Won't take it any further than 17 (18 now) lol. And these are in no certain order, I simply listed them as I thought of them and basked in the nostalgia , trying to say any of them is better than another is pointless, I enjoyed every single one of them equally yet separately. Sorry for blabbing on lol. Oh, and Brave Fencer Musashi for any "Zelda" type fans (yeah yeah 19)

I felt bad so let me just make it an even number. 20. Vandal Hearts 1 or 2 and sorry 21. Vagrant Story Don't feel bad, "Golden Sun" came close but list is just too long lol

O.O wow...thats a long list though *laughs* i don't think i have the patients to think back at all the good rpgs i've played.

No one who recommends Legend of Zelda? Σ(゜д゜;) It was such a great game.