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Who Is "Ruining" America?

combatvoss
Feb 24, 17 at 7:28pm
That attitude is what's ruining America. Thinking that the world should bend to your wishes.
combatvoss
Feb 24, 17 at 8:18pm
Just going to put this here http://youtu.be/L-ee840fIF8
momoichi
Feb 24, 17 at 8:30pm
just putting this here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQmMEfxc01Y
combatvoss
Feb 24, 17 at 8:36pm
Wow...wow. Before i tear this fucker apart I need to know Lamby, do you agree with the video that you just posted? Are you an Onision fan? Because in the first minute I literally found 5 things that I can use to discredit this guy.
momoichi
Feb 24, 17 at 8:38pm
i am an onision fan, while i dont agree with everything he has to say i agree with alot list the things he got wrong, thats what discussions are about
combatvoss
Feb 24, 17 at 9:54pm
Okay let's get this started. So first off he calls people stupid for preferring egalitarianism yet does zero fuckall to explain why. He says 69% of feminists like the couple hundreds of people who did his poll within his audience represent feminists as a whole. They do not. Furthermore even presuming that they did, actions speak louder than words and if soneone says they act in the name of equality yet seek preferential treatment and insist that they deserve more attention then their words are betrayed. And this is definitely true in regards to feminists. First minute and a half over and he is already declaring vixtory despite having provided no actual evidence to back up his claim, as well as nothing to point to where to find "actual feminists". And for a moment can I just say how much I love the frequent use of no true scottsman amongst feminists? It enables them to do no wrong. No official stances on issues means that they can do no wrong. If something done in thw name of feminism makes the world a better place then hooray victory for feminism. But if the exact same people argue or advocate for something ultimately ineffective, sexist, or damaging also in the name of feminists then that person "wasn't really a feminist" they don't count so feminism can continue to do no wrong by simply omitting anything not helpful to its image. So damn convinient. And when you think about it, uts actually kind of ironic considering that dear old mr onision is talking about cognotive bias. Here he is saying how stupid it is to ignore any points that disprove your position and at the same time saying that ANY examples of feminists or feminism being wrong don't count...because he said so. Its really transparent ans dumb and obvious that he'd fall apart if he actually had to address these points so he preemptively dismisses any points of dissent. TL;DR "lalala I can't hear you" is not an argument. Then he goes on to list quite a few examples so it kind of needs to be addressed quickly. The women serving in war is decided by lawmakers. Lawmakers are elected by the people. The majority of the people voting in the western world are women. Drawing any conclusions yet? Women have higher insurance premiums for healthcare because they require more medical care and seek it generally in larger numbers than men. It is the same reason that men typically have higher auto insurance costs. They get into riskier territory and so they are a bigger liability. Economics is not sexism. Being more afraid of walking down the street is only a concern because wome. Are co stantly being told by feminists that they are in more danger. This is in direcr contrast to data provided by government crime statistsics showing that rates of violent crime have been on a steady decline for over a decade. Not that it matters but they are also wrong in women being the primary targets. Men are overwhelmingly represented in both victims of violent crimes and murders. The only crime they arent is rape...and I already went over that with you. As for the soccer team, again the women's team pulls in much much less than the men's team does for an audience. They depend on ticket sales and ad revenue chiefly for their pay which means no shit the team that pulls a bigger crowd gets paid more. Again ECONOMICS IS NOT SEXIST. They should be getting equal pay if they are consistently getting the same views as the men. More of they were getting more views. But I am willing to bet Onision know this counterarguement and intentionally omitted how the female soccer team typically nets far fewer views on average. Have wage gap flashbacks I tell you. Nuance is everything. Look forward to part 2 in a moment.
momoichi
Feb 24, 17 at 10:08pm
you make good points but i cant agree with most feminists think women are superior
combatvoss
Feb 24, 17 at 10:10pm
For the tampon thing that's just kinda weird and I will give my opinion after reading up on the story. He may have a point on this one. But I expect that there is more to it than he is letting on. And that aside I see no reason why that should embarass anti-fems. Please riddle me that one. As for the women's reproductive healthcare assistance, women already have healthcare providing for their reproductive needs and ample more resources to boot. Not that it should matter but this is like saying that a millionaire is already paying more in taxes than a man on the street so its unfair to expect him to chip in. It's the kind of logic that I would expect you to disagree with. Also women going topless is not a federal crime. Seriously if you want to go topless right now Lamby you can. I promise not to object. The rapist being able to sue for custody is fucked up. Fair point. No objections here. The use of gendered words....mansplaining, manspreading, patriarchy. Next. Also slut shaming is mostly done by women. Dont blame men for it. Marital traditions do not need to be engaged upon. Religious texts need not be followed. These are the choices of individuals and to infringe upon them is hypocrisy. Furthermore if a daughter qants to be given away traditionally by her father then that is her choice. But non-traditional weddings are a thing so this is a non issue.
momoichi
Feb 24, 17 at 10:11pm
it is not mostly done by women, iv personally never been slut shamed by a women before but i have from men :T
combatvoss
Feb 24, 17 at 10:12pm
I do not like Onision. He stumbles over arguments, swears every 5 seconds like an ignorant child who just learned the word fuck, and makes non arguements against strawmen then basks in victory whilst ignoring opposing viewpoints. He refuses to learn, bend or change and just kind of annoys me.
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