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boundbyluck
Want less violence? Singapore is your answer. No matter who you are or what your position is even in government if you break the rules you either get jail or hanged ... I like that policy ... peace through absolute fear of breaking the law. Sounds like being completely free right? O.o?
jinsei
Mar 26, 15 at 5:20pm
One point of that I never understood is how some believe that owning guns will protect them from the government somehow. If the government seriously wanted to snuff you out, there is really nothing you can do about it. If they wanted to, they could colony drop your ass an be done with it. Or have some sailor on his lunch break out in the pacific push a button and 15 minutes later your house is a crater 100ft. deep. It will NEVER happen under normal circumstances. But if it did, there's little you could do against a multi-billion dollar defense budget. The ones who stoke the crazy flames the most are naturally the ones who stand to profit from it. So they can sell to those crazy, racist pseudo-patriot groups.
redhawk
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Mar 26, 15 at 5:23pm
@vamp neko But Japan is a smaller nation than America
boundbyluck
Guns don't let you take down a government. Riots are normally broken up fast as soon as people start dying. But even with its defense budget jinsei the u.s. is too large a nation to control if every state decided to rise up at the same time. And you will get also military units who will rally with the civies, and so forth. In other words no matter how big your guns are, if you can't aim at evryone in your country at the same time, you can be taken down no matter what.
jinsei
Mar 26, 15 at 5:40pm
You are totally right. I was speaking to the case of individuals or smaller groups who are paranoid about the Fed coming for them. Yet you also illustrate my point. No one group with can use weapons to take control of the country, even if that group is from within the government, like you said, everyone else will rise up against them. With the way our country works though, political and legal action will stop anything too crazy from occurring. We're still left with the question of what to do to reduce the number of deaths from wackos...
vampire_neko
@Mumbling Artist and Japan almost took over China in the Second Sino-Japanese War. It's not the size that counts, it's how you use it. America loves to use the size excuse for everything. Oh out internet sucks because we are so big and such. No, greedy corporations that bribe congress in order to keep out laws that challenge their power so they can charge way too much for inferior service is the reason for slow internet. And the biggest problem with America is the culture of war. We spend vastly more on our war budget than any other country in the world. In 2013 for example, we spent $640 billion dollars on defense. The next biggest is China with 5 times as many people as us but only spent $188 billion that year. Russia spent $87 billion, Japan $48 billion. That's another reason our economy is crappy and the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. We are $16.4 trillion dollars in debt. That equals over $56,000 per person in the USA.
jinsei
Mar 26, 15 at 6:00pm
Hey... Don't blame the rich. They've had to make a lot of sacrifices too. I hear they've been reduced to buying pre-owned yachts. You have no idea how embarrassing that is. Back on topic, may I add that gun are absolutely for shit when it comes to protecting you from guns.
boundbyluck
@ neko I wIll try and avoid the political debate that's brewing here and just go with the u.s. after ww2 had the biggest stick interms for war, during the cold war it kept it like that ... and now it is trying to keep that sense ofsuperiority that is no longer that effective to deter small cells of guerrilla fighters from being active. Even so most civilians feel a sense of security when they see or hear that their military is unmatched in terms of power. so the answer is simple a fake sense of security.
reisudo
Mar 26, 15 at 6:48pm
we as military are sworn to protect the constitution from foreign and domestic. We are unique country wise because of that. We have no allegiance with the US government but Allegiance to the constitution it is an oath we swore. I am damn sure that if push comes to shove our military would turn around and support the people in a complete overhaul of government if it ever became a corruptive power. If the President himself ordered me to kill a civilian for no reason, and because I didn't follow orders to do it, and grabbed my gun and pointed it at the civilian I have my right to shoot to kill at the president. Foreign and domestic.
drmario
Mar 26, 15 at 7:03pm
@reisudo I struggle to understand why you would say that the military has no allegiance to the US government. The military is one of the most obvious examples of a top-down structure. You follow orders. You have severely limited freedom to determine for yourself right or wrong. Ultimately the Commander-in-Chief is your boss. That person also happens to be the President as you know. If you don't follow orders you will be in big trouble or you better have a damn good reason. Obviously, choosing not to shoot a civilian is a very good moral reason, but...you can't make the determination that the civilian isn't a target of war on your own.
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